Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 131

I think these tires/rims must hold a record for weight. They weigh a ton. I should have put one on my scale.

Anyone looking to knock a full second off thier quarter mile times or decrease your braking distance and get rid of these boat anchors.

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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 778

Actually, they weigh somewhat less than a ton with each reportedly tipping the scales at 75 pounds (about 50% more than a conventional tire/wheel combination).

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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: CT
Posts: 499

So....

Four conventional wheels, at 50 lbs each, weigh 200 lbs in total, plus a mini-spare (not sure how heavy, but the steel wheel can't be all that light, so I'll give it 50 lbs, too) for a total of 250 lbs.

With the PAX setup, the four wheels are 75 lbs each, for a total weight of 300 lbs. There's no spare, so 300 lbs is the final tally.

Roughly a 50 lb difference, not so bad after all. (That's just a bag of fertilizer.) And mounted nice and low to reduce the center of gravity. (Granted, weight at the wheels is probably the one place that makes acceleration suffer the most, but the van has always seemed adequately quick to me.)

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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: US
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The additional unsprung weight that is a performance issue.

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Registered: Aug 2006
Location: Severn, MD
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The additional unsprung weight that is a performance issue.

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Location: NJ, USA
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Originally posted by redrock150
The additional unsprung weight that is a performance issue.

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His - (SOLD) 05 Touring Sage Brush/Ivory NAVI+RES, DesignTech Daytime Running Lights module, CentricParts front brake pads, MrGrille, Sunroof Visor, Mudflaps, Chrome Tail Pipe Tip, AutoBahn mirror, Panoramic rearview mirror, Padded coin tray, Lighted 2nd row console, Felt-padded, Rattle-free, 18+ coats of Klausse, WeatherTech Vent Shades, XenonDepot HID 4300K, Wilson's Pads, Hood Deflector w/Odyssey logo, new 4 PAX tires at 21,500 mi, then again at 25,300 mi.
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: CT
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Originally posted by alexmish1
With an impact of frequently-needed alignment job (at least for me !)

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Those highways in Jersey must be hell !

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Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Montgomery, AL area
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I've rotated mine twice already. There should be a coupon in the service manual that you can clip off after doing a tire rotation for a free visit to the chiropractor. The PAX wheel / tire assembly weighs more than the LT 265/75 load range E wheel / tire assembly from my 3/4 ton truck. Not joking.

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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: NJ, USA
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I put mine on the scale - exactly 75lbs.

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His - (SOLD) 05 Touring Sage Brush/Ivory NAVI+RES, DesignTech Daytime Running Lights module, CentricParts front brake pads, MrGrille, Sunroof Visor, Mudflaps, Chrome Tail Pipe Tip, AutoBahn mirror, Panoramic rearview mirror, Padded coin tray, Lighted 2nd row console, Felt-padded, Rattle-free, 18+ coats of Klausse, WeatherTech Vent Shades, XenonDepot HID 4300K, Wilson's Pads, Hood Deflector w/Odyssey logo, new 4 PAX tires at 21,500 mi, then again at 25,300 mi.
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Originally posted by ocwill1
Why is everyone so worried about performance in a minivan.. If I want performance, I will drive my TL, if I want to be nice and comfortable on a long trip with the family, I will drive the van.. This van is definately the fastest of them all, but it is still a van....

just my .02

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Registered: Feb 2002
Location: USA
Posts: 537

Unsprung weight is bad for both handling and ride. Both are important for a van.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech...e.jsp?techid=98

http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.htm

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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 222

Since it's unsprung, it also doesn't affect the center of gravity. Putting heavier wheels on an Ody won't reduce the amount of roll in turns.

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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 100

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Originally posted by WLim
What if you need emergency avoidance? A lighter wheel that sticks to the ground better might help you miss something that you would otherwise hit. It is a family vehicle, so preventing an accident is even better than surviving one.

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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Originally posted by II Kings 9:20
What if you needed not to have to change a tire in East St. Louis or as I did just coming off the freeway to gas up noticing the tire was nearly flat? Had I kept going a blow out would have been certain on the freeway. I wish I had the Touring model for this option (might just put a set on my Ex). The potential safety gains IMO out weigh the additional unsprung weight, which makes the suspension work harder to keep the wheel planted.

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... The choice a matter of probability. Are you more likely to have an accident avoidance situation or are you more likely to have a flat, and which has the worse outcome? If you do any sort of driving in a congested city, I'd bet you have a close call every few months.

The flip side is asking yourself how often you get flats, and of those, how many put you into a situation more dangerous than a possible accident.

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Well, contemplating the do's and don't's of PAX wasn't that complicated for me. I just said, "Is that the Touring over there?" [Yes.] "I'll take it then." I consider the PAX a break-even ... something not worth much consideration because I wanted the Touring and the PAX was not optional.

It's a break-even product for me because it has a specific advantage, but yet overall I'll pay more for that. I don't mind a few extra bucks if I get something for it ... I think the PAX will deliver when needed.

Also, I forget, its like rated up to 50 miles or something it can be driven flat. Do you think I or my wife is going to give a flip if we've driven it for 50 miles and have 40 more miles (for example) to get back home, and go ... well, we have to stop now. Do you think we're gonna put on the hazard flashers and pull over and call a tow truck? No friggin way. I can't understand why anyone would use the zero air pressure travel distance limitation as a negative to owning a PAX tire. Granted, you'll have to reduce speed and drive WAY more carefully on the plastic rim, but I'll drive it as far as necessary regardless of the "rated range."

As long as the PAX tire is still on the rim, I'll drive the thing for 500 miles to make it to a dealer if I have to. I don't care what the dealer says once I get it to them ... they'll be replacing the thing regardless. Trust me.

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