Registered: Sep 2008
Location: va
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Just got the following e-mail (see below) from Valvoline. Send them an e-mail to validate my word, if you wish. They will also will send you a .PDF file (I could not post it because it is not gif, jpeg or jpg) stating using their ATF will not void any warranties and that it meets Honda ATF-Z1 requirements! Also wrote Castrol and they have not responded to date.


We recommend our Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF for use in your Honda Odyssey to meet the Honda ATF Z-1 specifications, and will not void new car warranties.
Attached is a copy of the Valvoline MaxLife Letter letting you know which fluids the MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF is compatible with.

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Location: San Francisco, CA
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When I went to an auto store (forgot the name already) that others here said carried Honda ATF, they didn't have the Honda ATF Z-1, but the Valvoline. I read the back of the container and it did mention something similar to what you posted. I believe it even said it can even replace Toyota's ATF. The savings would have been significant (a little over $3 cheaper than Honda), but my biggest concern would be "what if it doesn't work well?". I'm already out of warranty, so I didn't want to take that chance and just paid more for Honda's ATF Z-1 just for peace of mind.

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Location: tucson, AZ
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Here in Tucson AZ some Carquest stores stock Honda Z-1, but at $6.58/qt it's cheaper online at Handa. Seeing all the excitement regarding the torque converter failures, I'm tempted to change brands even though I'm on the extended warranty. Would Valvoline help you in a warranty dispute? Strange how the excess acidity mentioned in one post could build up in a tranny (no combustion, etc). Anyone test for antifreeze leaking into the ATF? I do a drain/fill every other oil change, which now may not be often enough.

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see these threads for more info about maxlife

http://www.odyclub.com/forums/showt...ghlight=maxlife

http://www.odyclub.com/forums/showt...ghlight=maxlife

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WRONG?? I just got a letter from Valvoline stating their MAXLIFE is full synthetic? Don't believe me, write them. You will get the same letter I got!

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Originally posted by coop0129
Absolutely, Positively WRONG!!!!

Maxlife is NOT synthetic. Do your research before you post.

The only recommended for Z-1 synthetic ATF is Amsoil ATF. It is what I use, and would highly recommend it.

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Merged with the already existing Honda Z1 v/s Maxlife thread.

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Originally posted by jarhead
WRONG?? I just got a letter from Valvoline stating their MAXLIFE is full synthetic? Don't believe me, write them. You will get the same letter I got!

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Originally posted by Laphroaig
Could you quote that part?

I would be suprised that Valvoline sells its MV ATF cheaper than anyone else while making it from Gr III oil and not advertising it!

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Originally posted by Laphroaig
I would be suprised that Valvoline sells its MV ATF cheaper than anyone else while making it from Gr III oil and not advertising it!

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Oil changes for me and our Honda's consist of dropping the engine oil AND 3qts of tranny fluid at same time. Its so simple and easy.

We have a 8 year 80k warranty on the Ody, and 1yr+ left on my 04 Accord up to 100k which I will come close to. So staying with Z1 is important to me.

Doing what I'm doing is such over kill (and not expensive…an extra $20) should a failure occur I know it won’t be maintenance related and I’ll have the receipts to prove it. There’s nothing to question.


Using a different oils other than an OEM spec'd oil is a VERY fuzzy issue with the Magnuson-Moss act. You are not protected as well as you think after reading it. OEM's CAN (OH YES THEY CAN!) call out a specific oil and spec's which you MUST use. And it may be very limited options. Just because it says on XXYY oil bottle, stating that it meets an OEM spec means NOTHING. Absolutely nothing.

Because where would you go with a rejected warranty claim? What do you do? Hire an attorney and spend thousands to fight Honda claiming Mag-Moss Act? Go after the oil company that said they meet the OEM spec??? Good luck with that.

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Originally posted by galets
I looked up Valvoline Maxlife ATF and it doesn't say that it is synthetic. Is it synthetic, or mineral, or blend? I imagine it will clearly not be an issue at all if it's mineral or blend. My 03 Ody is at 106K right now on OEM fluid with pretty much no issues, so 118K does not say too much, however it's good to know that this specific fluid didn't kill it or anything.
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This is also from Valvolines web site. Lots of good info. For what its worth, the bottles of maxlife in my garage state "synthetic Base Oils"

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1.I had my transmission fluid changed using Valvoline ATF+4 Synthetic fluid. All previous changes used conventional fluid. Will this cause a problem?

No. Switching to synthetic after using a conventional product will not cause a problem. Synthetic and conventional oils are 100% compatible.

3.Does Valvoline make a synthetic ATF?

Yes. Valvoline makes several synthetic ATF's. MaxLife Dexron/Mercon ATF, Mercon V ATF, ATF +4 and Dexron VI are all synthetic.


5.Is ok to mix synthetic ATF with a conventional and/or synthetic blend ATF?

Yes. Synthetic and conventional fluids are 100% compatible to each other.

6.Is MaxLife ATF compatible with other brands of ATF?

MaxLife is a multi-purpose fluid compatible with many brands and manufacturer recommendations. Refer to the MaxLife label to determine whether MaxLife is compatible for your application.

7.I heard a rumor that using Dexron III will cause the clutch packs to swell and disintegrate? Is there any truth to this?

No. Dexron III ATF will not cause any damages to clutch packs.

8.Is MaxLife ATF an SP-111 fluid?

MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF is 100% compatible for use in SP-II and SP-III applications.


10.Does MaxLife ATF meet Dexron VI specifications?

Yes. MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF meets the Dexron VI specifications.

11.Does GM recognize MaxLife ATF and is this an acceptable fluid to use in place of Dexron VI?

GM only recognizes their factory fill fluid for Dexron VI, but Valvoline meets and exceeds the performance requirements for the specification, and we stand behind the product 100% for this specification.

12.Can MaxLife ATF be mixed with Dexron VI or does the fluid need to be purged prior to installing MaxLIfe ATF?

Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF is 100% compatible with the Dexron VI for mixing or flushing a system.

13.Is MaxLife ATF ok to use in applications requiring Mercon-V fluid?

Yes. MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF meets the Mercon V specifications.

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I found this today :

DuraDrive™ MV Synthetic ATF
Petro-Canada’s best multi-vehicle automatic transmission fluid

http://lubricants.petro-canada.ca/en/products/612.aspx

I'll take a look when I'll pass by a Petro-canada, but since they are always the first to increase gas prices, I never gas there... I'll have to go there only for their ATF and I'm pretty sure I'll found as much PC ATF there as I've found Mobil ATF at Esso gas station, i.e. none.

I'll see if I can find it elsewhere. And for our US friends, PC as an united-statestian division...

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About a month ago, I did a full flush and fill on my 05 with about 55k using Max Life (5 cycles using 4 gallons). It had a previous change at the dealer using Z1 at about 30k. We have put maybe 500 miles on it and it seems to be shifting great. It seems like it is shifting a little snappier.

Mobil 1 ATF is also Z1 rated and I will be doing the same on my 09 Civic EX with about 5k on the clock as soon as it warms up enough for me to be in the garage for a while.

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I found this today :

DuraDrive™ MV Synthetic ATF
Petro-Canada’s best multi-vehicle automatic transmission fluid

http://lubricants.petro-canada.ca/en/products/612.aspx

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Originally posted by 0dyfamily
Agreed, using Group 3 and not telling the world would be a big marketing faux paus...if it was made from Group 3 stocks, everybody at BITOG would be purchasing cases of this stuff at its current price...

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It is one of your more popular and highly recommended lower cost ATFs over at BITOG. I know I've got it in both my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe and my 2008 Ody. It does seem harder to find these days. Your heavy hitters like AutoZone and Advance auto always have it in qt and gallon jug size and typically ~$4.50/qt. Napa and Carquest always have it as well. I did find it at our new Super Waly recently for something like $3.87/qt, but it's sporadic to find it to say the least.

Joel

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