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Poll: Select the US Climate Zone you are from and response to Transmission Failure or not.

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    Suburban's have got to weigh more.....maybe we should find some statistics on how many Suburban/Yukon XL trannys pack it in? What about tractor trailers....they weigh more as well? Many tractor trailers get 1/2 million miles + out of a transmission.

    I'm with BASEBALL, I'm not sure the weight really should be a factor.
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    GM and Ford truck trannies are built like bank vaults. They also use a combination of sun and planetary gear sets, and the basic design has been in use for a long, long time, with many durability improvements over the many years. They're also pretty big.

    If you remove the bell housing and TC on our tranny, you end up with something that is not a whole lot bigger than a high-end countertop bread cooker. Not a lot of size to transmit all that torque. I'd guess that making everything 5% larger, while adding some mass (one of the big items car designers try to keep under control), would contribute immensely to the durability of the item.

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    So when you start looking at the relative size of the clutch packs compared to the HP rating and the vehicle weight.....they just aren't up to the task.

    The point is....if Honda is going to purposely design a vehicle with a defined GVW, and 250 HP engine, they should keep those factors in mind when designing the tranny, eh?
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    Heat, weight, size....it all comes together.
    Knowing that, does the maint. or the way the van is driven cause a issue. Very well could be. The subject thread/poll with the zone area that tells location of failures is a theory. Or a reason.
    Just as the some fail, some dont bring a mind boggling theory all its own.
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    Well, so far only 39 people responded thus far. The results of the poll are somewhat interesting looking at transmission failures by climate zone.

    Failure percentage by climate zone
    Zone 1 - 40%
    Zone 2 - 33%
    Zone 3 - 22%
    Zone 4 - 30%
    Zone 5 - 66%
    Over all Failure including all 5 zones 33%

    Looking at the percentages, zone three has the least percentage of failures, which by the way is the zone where I live and still on original trans w/186k mi.

    It looks like there is a high failure in extreme cold or hot climates, as indicated by zone 1 and 5. What else is interesting with zone 1 and 5 is the low response, which could mean a good percentage of the vans are in the junk yard now and the failure rate is even higher than our statistics listed indicate.

    Thanks to those of you that responded.
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    Honda Accord 2008 v6 EX-L 22k

    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    Originally posted by williamhaas
    What else is interesting with zone 1 and 5 is the low response, which could mean a good percentage of the vans are in the junk yard now and the failure rate is even higher than our statistics listed indicate.

    Not so fast on that one. Just because the response is low is not a reason to think they have failed. Right?
    Some people have no reason to come to forums like this with no issues. Most new posters will post about a tranny issue on their first visit. Unless it is just a fluke with the ones I have noticed.
    Just my opinion..
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    Not so fast on that one. Just because the response is low is not a reason to think they have failed. Right?
    Some people have no reason to come to forums like this with no issues. Most new posters will post about a tranny issue on their first visit. Unless it is just a fluke with the ones I have noticed.
    Just my opinion..

    Odycopuple - The percentage of people at this site primarily for transmission failure may inflate the statistics for failures. However, it is interesting that we can see that zone 1 and zone 5 have higher stats of failure.
    Williamhaas
    Current cars:
    Honda Odyssey 2009 EX
    Honda Accord 2008 v6 EX-L 22k

    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    Originally posted by williamhaas
    Not so fast on that one. Just because the response is low is not a reason to think they have failed. Right?
    Some people have no reason to come to forums like this with no issues. Most new posters will post about a tranny issue on their first visit. Unless it is just a fluke with the ones I have noticed.
    Just my opinion..

    Odycopuple - The percentage of people at this site primarily for transmission failure may inflate the statistics for failures. However, it is interesting that we can see that zone 1 and zone 5 have higher stats of failure.
    We are still only getting reports from the forum members....in those zones. Which are from here, which are maybe because of a reason....? Maybe like a failure? But it is still good to see the differ, and to exchange thoughts
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    Originally posted by williamhaas
    ...Failure percentage by climate zone
    Zone 1 - 40%
    Zone 2 - 33%
    Zone 3 - 22%
    Zone 4 - 30%
    Zone 5 - 66%
    Over all Failure including all 5 zones 33% .... What else is interesting with zone 1 and 5 is the low response, which could mean a good percentage of the vans are in the junk yard now and the failure rate is even higher than our statistics listed indicate.

    Thanks to those of you that responded.
    I abbreviated this for obvious reasons, but this is not a proper application of statistics.

    All we know is that 33% of respondants to this survey reported problems. That's it. It's a very small survey sample, too, given the number of vehicles sold.

    By these numbers, one of my 3 Odys should have had an A/T problem. Hasn't happened yet (the new owner of my 2001 EX still keeps in touch).

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    1998 Accord LX 238k, Haynes 676 ATF cooler
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    herrhaus

    I tried to updated the incorrect spelling of transmission, but it does not appear to take effect to the original post.
    Williamhaas
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    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    You can't do it. Regular members can't delete threads or rename threads after posted.
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    Well,

    The stats still show interesting results from the 50 people that responded. Zone 1 and Zone 5 still have the highest percentage of failures with their zone of 42% and 60% respectively. Zone 3 still has the lowest percentage of failures within its zone of 20%.


    Zone Count % % within Zone
    Zone 1 - Failure 3 6.00% 42.9%
    Zone 1 - No Failure 4 8.00% 57.1%
    Zone 2 - Failure 5 10.00% 33.3%
    Zone 2 - No Failure 10 20.00% 66.7%
    Zone 3 - Failure 2 4.00% 20.0%
    Zone 3 - No Failure 8 16.00% 80.0%
    Zone 4 - Failure 5 10.00% 38.5%
    Zone 4 - No Failure 8 16.00% 61.5%
    Zone 5 - Failure 3 6.00% 60.0%
    Zone 5 - No Failure 2 4.00% 40.0%
    Williamhaas
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    Honda Odyssey 2009 EX
    Honda Accord 2008 v6 EX-L 22k

    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    I'm on the cusp of Zone 1/2. I put down 2 (no failure).
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    2006 Honda Accord EX-L 4-cyl Manual. 187K miles

    2003 Honda Accord EX-L V6 w/218K (Miles) - SOLD

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    Originally posted by williamhaas
    Well,

    The stats still show interesting results from the 50 people that responded. Zone 1 and Zone 5 still have the highest percentage of failures with their zone of 42% and 60% respectively. Zone 3 still has the lowest percentage of failures within its zone of 20%.


    Zone Count % % within Zone
    Zone 1 - Failure 3 6.00% 42.9%
    Zone 1 - No Failure 4 8.00% 57.1%
    Zone 2 - Failure 5 10.00% 33.3%
    Zone 2 - No Failure 10 20.00% 66.7%
    Zone 3 - Failure 2 4.00% 20.0%
    Zone 3 - No Failure 8 16.00% 80.0%
    Zone 4 - Failure 5 10.00% 38.5%
    Zone 4 - No Failure 8 16.00% 61.5%
    Zone 5 - Failure 3 6.00% 60.0%
    Zone 5 - No Failure 2 4.00% 40.0%
    It also might be that the zones with lower numbers are areas that we have less members living in that area.
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    I added a No Failure vote for zone 5.

    My 1999 EX has 216500 miles on the original transmission. I have been draining/refilling the transmission every 10,000 to 15,000 miles since 60,000 miles. The fluid would develop a tan color, so I would drain / refill.

    At 150,000 miles I did a 3 times drain and refill with Valvoline Maxlife. Since I still had some Honda fluid, I have mixed 1 or 2 quarts of the Honda fluid in with the Maxlife rather than throw the fluid away. Since using the Maxlife, the fluid maintains the red color between changes.

    We live near Dallas, there are few hills. The majority of driving locally is suburban 40-45 mph with a stop light every mile. Both drivers are easy on the van and come to a full stop when shifting from R to D (or D to R).

    We take several highway trips a year averaging 22,000 miles / year on the van.

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