Survery of Transmissions by Climate Zone
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    Survery of Transmissions by Climate Zone

    I did not see a survey poll on transmission failures by US Climate zone. I was giving some thought about the transmission failures and whether the climate zone or temperature had an influence on the failures. For example, I'm from NJ and have 184k miles on my original trans, which I shamefully admit I replaced the trans fluid once at 160k with 3 qts of Honda Transmission Fluid.

    I have attached a picture of the United States that outline each states temperature zone. Please review the map and then select the poll answer. For those of you from another country find the climate zone that corresponds to your area and select the appropriate response. You may need to click on the link to display the map of the U.S.

    Hopefully everything goes okay when I submit this post.

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    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    184k nice. Nice to see this chart too. If only it wasnt the failure problems that brought them to this forum. It might be more accurate.
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    Hopefully we do have others that are here for other reasons than the trans failures. So far, based on the responses the poll most are still on their original transmission.
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    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    typo....Dog, typo....
    I once pulled my camper with the Ody, now my camper pulls the Ody!

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    I'm glad that this topic was finally put in a poll. I've been wondering this myself. The other finer tuning that I would add to this is whether or not the van is garaged. I also live in NJ. We garage our Van. The garage is not heated - but our 30 yr old house leaks enough heat into the garage, that even on the coldest 5 degree night - it still remains above freezing in the Garage (I store our bottled water in there, haven't seen one bottle turn to ice yet, I also bring my temperature sensitive semi tropical plants in there for the winter - not one has died in 9 years). The reason I ask - is that most of our trips originate from the Garage. If we go grocery, mall shopping or car pool (mostly), our van either started from the garage - or warmed up to operating temperature and we weren't parked long enough for it to cool down too much while at the grocery store or mall, etc. I own a 2002 - I do change the fluid more often than the recommended frequency - but the fluid has been clean + so far no issues.

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    After massive research, I've theroized something similar. However, my theory goes more indepth, not only with the climate, but also factoring in the traffic conditions, road condtions, and terrian.

    I would say that 65%-75% of the driving here in the DC Metro area is stop and go. The terrain does yield some upgrades and downgrades, but nothing extreme.
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    Originally posted by my_dogs_ody
    yes, mikey - that's why I put a smiley face after it - you knew I was kidding....maybe now would be a good time for you to re-read what we've discussed in the off-topic forum. I know you enjoy, as you stated "rattling" the cage...and that's why it'd be smart to follow the direction of the moderators.
    No problem on my end.........Im good, just a kind reply in passing, thats all.
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    Originally posted by my_dogs_ody
    I have two theories...one is the trans components that fail (the 3rd gear pack?) were built in a different factory/subcontracted out. Kind of like the ford 351 windsor vs the 351 cleveland engines...one engine was built in a different factory, and suffered a major oil starvation issue.

    My other theory is "the roll". When you stop, and shift into park, the van rolls and inch, and is stopped by the transmission....older mercedes dealt with this roll by putting in a "flex disc" in the driveline. When I stop, I put the van in neutral, fully engage the park brake, then shift it into park.

    Could be neither...could be both...
    Those are good theories.


    "The Roll" is something Im concerned about as well. I have to try your Neutral method to see if things change. Ive noticed, if I dont warm the van up in the mornings, when I shift into reverse or drive, it will yield a rather loud clunk and the van jerks.
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    My driveway is at about a 10%+ slope (which is where the ODY is parked). We always engage parking brake, then to neutural, then to park.
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    Originally posted by herrhaus
    My driveway is at about a 10%+ slope (which is where the ODY is parked). We always engage parking brake, then to neutural, then to park.
    I'm going to start trying that one. Thanks for the insight
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    Originally posted by NGUSPEED
    I'm going to start trying that one. Thanks for the insight
    My neighbor had owned a 2001, like myself. He replaced his transmission 3 times by Honda. The forth time the transmission failed he had 145k miles on the car and desided he had enough and sold it.

    A few things we discussed that were different with how we treated our cars.

    1) His wife drove the van and would back out of the driveway and without coming to a complete stop shifted from reverse to drive.
    2) She also had a lead foot, proceeding down the road a 40 mph with the tac at 3000 rpms, all on a cold transmission and engine.
    3) Additionally, they had a steep driveway and never used the parking brake, and the car always rolled and put added pressure on the transmission with shifting being hard.

    Interesting that he and I bought our vans at the same time. He had 145k miles and needed four transmission replacements, and I with 185k miles still have the original trans.

    Is it luck or how we treat our vans?
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    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    Originally posted by williamhaas
    My neighbor had owned a 2001, like myself. He replaced his transmission 3 times by Honda. The forth time the transmission failed he had 145k miles on the car and desided he had enough and sold it.

    A few things we discussed that were different with how we treated our cars.

    1) His wife drove the van and would back out of the driveway and without coming to a complete stop shifted from reverse to drive.
    2) She also had a lead foot, proceeding down the road a 40 mph with the tac at 3000 rpms, all on a cold transmission and engine.
    3) Additionally, they had a steep driveway and never used the parking brake, and the car always rolled and put added pressure on the transmission with shifting being hard.

    Interesting that he and I bought our vans at the same time. He had 145k miles and needed four transmission replacements, and I with 185k miles still have the original trans.

    Is it luck or how we treat our vans?

    And factor in the weight of a 2 ton van!!!
    Makes beans to me.....
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    And factor in the weight of a 2 ton van!!!

    I nerver thought of it that way, the force of the van and the acceleration forward. Pretty tough on the trans.
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    Honda Accord 2008 v6 EX-L 22k

    Past cars in the order of being sold:
    Honda Odyssey 2001 197k - Original Transmission no repairs
    1985 Mercedes 380 SE 182k/1999 Toyota Camry 150k/1995 Honda Passport 65k/1987 Nissan 300zx 2+2 130k/1990 Volkswagon Fox 132k/1987 Honda CRX 256k/1986 Dodge Daytona 187k/1976 Datson 280z/1976 Toyota SR5/1976 Triumph Spitfire/1971 Datson 240z/1973 Mercury Cougar/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1965 Ford Mustang V8/1968 Mercury Cougar/1966 Ford Mustang straight 6/

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    factor in the weight of a 2 ton van
    Too bad the transmission was not designed and built to do the job properly. Just because it is heavy is not a valid excuse. If a skyscraper collapsed, nobody would accept the excuse, "just because building was big". I do not expect the Empire State Building to fall just because it is large.

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    Originally posted by baseball
    Too bad the transmission was not designed and built to do the job properly. Just because it is heavy is not a valid excuse. If a skyscraper collapsed, nobody would accept the excuse, "just because building was big". I do not expect the Empire State Building to fall just because it is large.
    I agree, but common sense should kick in on how people drive a vehicle that is over 2 ton. I know my wife when she drives the Ody it is driven like there is a sale and everything is 100% off at every craft store in Ohio.
    I dont drive my CRX like I drive my MH.
    My point is knowing that something is that heavy...and knowing there is maybe a reason of concern...why not give it a break. Im not saying that it is all the reasons of failure. Just a after thought. and just my opinion.
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