Tranny recall "repair"

jpf · Sep 20, 2004

I haven't seen this in any tranny recall threads yet.

I had our '04 EX-L in for recall service Saturday. It wasn't finished until late that day. I checked the oil jet installation Sunday and found the hose from the filter line to the jet badly kinked (kinda defeats the purpose). I loosened the clamp and slid the hose further up the jet nipple to open the line up.

f you've had the repair, you might want to check behind them.

Also, they apparently forgot to perform the idle learn procedure when they finished. Luckily, my wife hit the brakes in time to avoid lunging into another car on the way home and I took care of it Saturday night. The service department told me they couldn't look at it until Monday.

So far, I've dealt with two Honda dealers on this vehicle and both of them have failed to perform.

adam1991 · Sep 20, 2004

I've seen the oil jet kit installation instructions, and I don't recall any "idle learn procedure". Can you enlighten me?

I had the recall done, and only the recall during that service call, and didn't notice anything different about how the van drove afterward.

egads · Sep 20, 2004

Whenever a Honda has had it's battery disconnected it must be reset a certain way. If the directions aren't in the owner's manual they are usually included with repair and accessory install instructions. Welcome to the world of computer controlled cars.

adam1991 · Sep 21, 2004

Ah. I don't believe the tech and I disconnected the battery. There's no real reason to.

Aardvaark · Sep 21, 2004

egads said:
Whenever a Honda has had it's battery disconnected it must be reset a certain way. If the directions aren't in the owner's manual they are usually included with repair and accessory install instructions. Welcome to the world of computer controlled cars.

When I installed the transmission cooler on my '02 Ody I removed
the battery and tray for access to the ATF hoses. After re-installing the battery all I had to do was re-enter the radio stations. The battery was out of the vehicle for about three hours and no resetting was necessary except radio station presets. Also there is no resetting proceedure in the Helm F S manual for after re-installing the battery.

-Mark

egads · Sep 21, 2004

Have you ever seen a real factory repair manual, like the Helms? Believe me, most procedures begin with "disconnect negative battery terminal" This is a basic safety consideration for most modern vehicles. You just never know what electronics will do. These guys don't stick their hands down into the guts without a fail safe. The other consideration is shorting something and frying a thousand dollars worth of electronics.

I just pulled the install instructions that came with the keyless entry I put in. The first item is to write down the customers radio presets. The second is to disconnect the negetive battery cable.

The idle learn procedure is quite simple, you start the car and wait for the radiator cooling fan to turn on.

adam1991 · Sep 21, 2004

We're talking about pulling the transmission fill bolt and putting on the oil jet kit. We're not talking about installing an electronic component like keyless entry.

No need to disconnect the battery.

joec42 · Sep 21, 2004

It's a safety thing like using jack stands instead of just the jack. You never know when the wrench will touch a live connection or drop and short something out. Also plenty of stories of wedding rings/bands shorting out and burning someone's hand. The manufacturers/manual-writers cover themselves by saying disconnect the battery so they don't get sued when someone gets hurt or electronics get fried.

Hey, if we need labels on the coffee cup that says "Warning contents may be hot" ....

Sandstone · Sep 22, 2004

Also there is no resetting proceedure in the Helm F S manual for after re-installing the battery.

Aardvaark,
Look for the PCM Idle Learn Procedure in your Helm manual. It is in the Idle Control System section of the manual (page 11-206 in the 1999-2003 manual, your manual may differ) It lists 15 different actions that require the idle learn procedure to be performed. The first one on the list is disconnecting the battery.

babylon5 · Sep 22, 2004

Remove battery to get at tranny

I think for the oij jet install the remove the battery and tray so they can get access to the top of the tranny... So it would indeed disconnect the battery...

egads · Sep 22, 2004

Actually I think the trany is on the driver's side. That dip stick by the battery is for the power sterring fluid.

jpf · Sep 23, 2004

I didn't mean to start an argument about why you would disconnect the battery for the oil jet installation. The main point was to check the hose after the installation to make sure it isn't kinked. If it is, the intended amount of fluid won't get to the problem area.

Its pretty obvious if the idle procedure needs to be performed, but not so obvious if the technician wasn't paying attention when installing the kit.

Hong · Sep 24, 2004

egads said:
Actually I think the trany is on the driver's side. That dip stick by the battery is for the power sterring fluid.

The tranny is by the driver side and the dip stick by the battery is for the tranny. Powerstering fluid has its own fluid level markings on the container where you add the power steering fluid on every make.

Guest · Sep 25, 2004

Another iffy install

Picked up our Odyssey this afternoon aftering being serviced by Bellevue Honda. When I got home, I took a look and everything seemed fine. Went to check the tranny fluid - I had paid for a single flush and fill, and the fluid barely hit the tip of the dip stick.

About three-quarter's of a quart later, it is right at the upper hole mark.

Man, how hard can it be to make sure there's enough tranny fluid?

Wayne

joec42 · Sep 25, 2004

Does the Ody have a special "procedure" for checking the tranny fluid? I know lots of cars have something along the lines of warm the car up. Put in park on level surface, shift through all the gears, then put in park (idling) and check dipstick level. I know some even have a different mark on the dipstick for warm vs cold engine/tranny.

Sorry if the above info seems basic, not always easy to tell over the net what a poster knows or may have actually done.

That and I'm too lazy to get dressed and go out to the Ody and look at the 2 inch thick owners manual

egads · Sep 25, 2004

Well you can't check it from your computer either

Guest · Sep 25, 2004

joec42 said:
Does the Ody have a special "procedure" for checking the tranny fluid? I know lots of cars have something along the lines of warm the car up. Put in park on level surface, shift through all the gears, then put in park (idling) and check dipstick level. I know some even have a different mark on the dipstick for warm vs cold engine/tranny.

Sorry if the above info seems basic, not always easy to tell over the net what a poster knows or may have actually done.

That and I'm too lazy to get dressed and go out to the Ody and look at the 2 inch thick owners manual

According to the manual, it's supposed to be checked while at normal operating temperature, on a flat surface, and with the Ody turned off. I've checked it at a variety of times and it really doesn't seem to matter. First thing in the morning, cold, the reading is just about exactly the same.

Wayne

joec42 · Sep 26, 2004

Great

, now I have to go check everything on the new Ody. Maybe that explains some of the transmission problems/failures...

vulture99 · Jan 24, 2005

I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to add that I have the same issue on my new-to-me 2003 EXL. The hose on the oil jet kit is kinked pretty badly. I can't imagine much oil is getting through there. I'm going to try pushing the hose farther onto the tube to straighten out the kink, just like the original poster.

Hey · Jan 25, 2005

Wayne Lim said:
According to the manual, it's supposed to be checked while at normal operating temperature, on a flat surface, and with the Ody turned off. I've checked it at a variety of times and it really doesn't seem to matter. First thing in the morning, cold, the reading is just about exactly the same.

Wayne

I had this discussion with the service manager of the dealer that did my tranny recall. He said never mind the manual. Check it hot and running in park on a level surface. This is a dealer with a lot of Honda awards. Confused? Me too.

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