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I see while Touring has lot of fancy add-ons, its still 5k difference between these 2 trims. I am keen on LED lights, 10 speed, parking sensors.
I know we can't change transmission, but can we change to LED lights and add sensors, at Honda dealership?

Need your suggestions/opinions please...
 
- No option to change headlights at the dealer. If you want LED, you have to go Touring/Elite

- You can get REAR parking sensors at the dealer as an option, which give off an audible beep. If you go Touring/Elite, you will get front and rear sensors along with overlay graphics on the center screen. Personally I'm not sure if rear sensors make much sense at all, since you have a backup camera with 3 different angled views already.

It is a big jump in price from EX-L to Touring, but Honda structured it in this way so that if you want the fancy features, starting with those jeweled LED headlights, you have to shell out for the Touring. My personal opinion is to either go all the way down to EX-L to get a very low price (and make do with Apple Carplay/Android Auto for navi, and no RES), or go all out and just get the Elite. The price difference between Elite and Touring is not huge (perhaps even less after negotiation), and you do get quite a number of additional features on the Elite, like vented seats, power fold mirrors, much better stereo, heated steering wheel, more acoustic glass, etc.
 
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I agree, if we go Touring, it makes sense to get Elite instead...But Elite is costing as much as a luxury SUV now, with 2018 pricing.

I definitely need RES, so its not a option. Thanks for clarifying on the LED head lamps, and sensors.
 
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Also, is the 9-speed transmission in Ex-L, same as Pilot one? If so, its been tested for a year or more right...I know Touring and up comes with a brand new 10-speed. I am little skeptical because 10 speed is really new to know its deficiencies.
 
The 9 speed is same as Pilot, and is actually not made by Honda, but by ZF, and is also used in other brands, like the Pacifica for example. ZF is actually quite a big player in the transmission industry, and their 8 speed automatic is used widely and critically acclaimed. The 9 speed however has had issues with both Honda and Chrysler, so I don't know if it is some issue on ZF's end in term of the physical design/manufacturing of the unit, or it's Honda and Chrysler not being able to optimize the transmission for the vehicles.

Chrysler is often just outright incompetent, but Honda has a much better reputation obviously. OTOH, Honda is probably just using the ZF units as a stop gap until their own 10 speed transmissions mature, so perhaps Honda is not making too much of an effort to optimize the ZF transmissions, unlike say BMW, whose entire line uses ZF transmissions, so probably BMW works very hard with ZF to make sure they are working smoothly.

The 10 speed is Honda designed and built, and probably is the future transmission of choice for all Honda vehicles. It is brand new though, so reliability will be a question mark for a while. Given that the entire car is fully redesigned, I would seriously consider getting the HondaCare extended warranty, if only for the peace of mind, especially if you went all out and got the Elite, with all of its additional fancy features!

Speaking of Elite vs Touring, I suspect that once a lot of both trims start sitting in dealer lots, you can probably negotiate a Elite for not too much more than a Touring, since the higher the trim level, typically you can get a bigger discount. If you can wait a few months, maybe even in to the new year (maybe next President's day?), there might be much better deals especially on the higher trim models.
 
Everything new has growing pains. There will be hiccups with the new 10 speed as Honda irons out the kinks. I'm a big Honda fan but I work in the manufacturing industry and I'm just being realistic. We are all humans and we make mistakes along the way and it takes some time for new innovations to mature.
 
Everything new has growing pains. There will be hiccups with the new 10 speed as Honda irons out the kinks. I'm a big Honda fan but I work in the manufacturing industry and I'm just being realistic. We are all humans and we make mistakes along the way and it takes some time for new innovations to mature.
Well no complaints so far about the 10 speed at least. If Honda did a good job with this particular transmission they should be set for the next 5 to 10 years for almost all of their models between the 10 speed and I guess their CVT. They could then just ditch the ZF 9 speed and move all their models over to the 10 speed, assuming the reliability is good of course.
 
Honda will move all of their larger products (current 6 cyl and FWD) to 10 sp and it will be in production for the next 10 years (per Honda). However, I second comments by "reflection" - it will take some time to work out bugs, especially given the historical reputation for Honda's made trannies... They ALL did require a few years of fine tunning. please note, this is not really an issue with thier new engines, but somehow, trannies have been lagging behind.... Hope, the history will not repeat itself again.

As I said in other posts, ZF 9 sp has also had issues with software and fine tunning, and I am not the biggest fan of it however, ZF is the global leader in drive train technologies and given their level of experience as well as application of this particular ZF 9 sp model on other vehicles over the past few years (FC, Range Rover and Honda) I tend to lean to ZF 9 sp vs untested Honda made 10sp. Let's hope both options will pass the time test, but I do not want to be the first one to test that logic.
 
Although Honda had said their plan was to utilize the 10-speed automatic transmission on larger vehicles with V6, the V6 part is no longer true - it will also be paired with a turbocharged 2.0L I4 that replaces the V6 engine choice in the 2018 Accord.
 
Although Honda had said their plan was to utilize the 10-speed automatic transmission on larger vehicles with V6, the V6 part is no longer true - it will also be paired with a turbocharged 2.0L I4 that replaces the V6 engine choice in the 2018 Accord.
Agree, however this 10 sp tranny will be reserved for larger sized cars (in terms of HP, torque as well as vehicle weight). I doubt we will ever see it on Fit or HR-V, at least not in the near future.
 
Here is the list of differences between EX-L and Touring that I could find. I decided to go with a Touring as we were coming from a 2013 Touring.
Major differences between EX-L and Touring:
- Nav/RES
- The wheels on the Touring are different
- LED headlights and fog lights and supports Wiperlink
- Power rear liftgate
- 10 speed transmissionw idle stop
- Cabinwatch
- Hondavac
- Front/Rear parking sensors
- Roof mounted antenna on Touring and Elite is body colored vs black on the other trims. Same with side sills.
- The third row magic seat on Touring and Elite has a folding center armrest
- Touring and Elite support HondaLink and Mobile Hotspot
 
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