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Hi everybody! Longtime lurker here.

I have a Honda Odyssey 2010 that I purchased new in June 10th 2010.

In April 2018 I took the car to check the VCM issue to Honda Lynnwood in WA state. They made me return twice when oil levels were low, to check oil consumption as per the requirements to fix this issue.

Now Honda is coming back to me saying that I have to pay part of the repair, (around $1000) and that is, if they don't have to change part of the block in case the cylinder walls are scraped. I asked Honda why I should pay part of the repair when the Class Action Lawsuit states that Honda would cover this. Honda car dealership response was: " We dont know, but you must take this offer before 30 days and if not we will not fix your car".

Can anybody chip in and help me figure here if this is the way it should be?

Thanks to all,

Lologuay.
 
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I agree with the above. Install a VCM defeat device and likely the oil burning will be reduced considerably over the next few fillups. If you're getting misfires then replace the spark plugs. Most of the time, with VCM disabled, the rings will slowly clean themselves up and things will go back to normal.
 
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Another vote for VCM disabling. Last year I added it to my 07 that was burning oil and within a few months the oil consumption dropped to almost nothing. This on a van with active VCM for 175k miles. How many miles are on your 2010?
 
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MrRangerZr1 said:
First of all, are you burning oil or having misfires now? Started with Check Oil light, then misfires. . How much oil are you burning?1.6qts every 1300 miles

The lawsuit repair is a temporary fix, I Know the problems will come back soon after the repair is done. The permanent fix is to disable VCM:
IMHO, Don't waste your time with the dealership. Disable VCM and you should be fine.
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I know about the nuzzler and actually bought one, but the cylinder rings are toasted now and the plan I have now is have honda replace the cylinder rings and after that I will install the nuzzler. Honda has done the oil consumtion test and they tell me that yes, there is a big problem, but the dealership says that Honda will only cover 80% of the cost of the fix and I get to pay the other 20%. Under my understanding it should all be honda.

I went one step further ancd contacted the lawyers who were part of the lawsuit and they told me that first I have to cantact Customer care at honda and after complaining I i dont get throughj they will intervene, but I would rather have the Honda just fix the issue.

Anybody that has done the re-ring and was covered 100% by Honda?

Thanks all,

Lologfuys
 
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MrRangerZr1 said:
First of all, are you burning oil or having misfires now? Started with Check Oil light, then misfires. . How much oil are you burning?1.6qts every 1300 miles

The lawsuit repair is a temporary fix, I Know the problems will come back soon after the repair is done. The permanent fix is to disable VCM:
IMHO, Don't waste your time with the dealership. Disable VCM and you should be fine.
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I know about the nuzzler and actually bought one, but the cylinder rings are toasted now and the plan I have now is have honda replace the cylinder rings and after that I will install the nuzzler. Honda has done the oil consumtion test and they tell me that yes, there is a big problem, but the dealership says that Honda will only cover 80% of the cost of the fix and I get to pay the other 20%. Under my understanding it should all be honda.

I went one step further ancd contacted the lawyers who were part of the lawsuit and they told me that first I have to cantact Customer care at honda and after complaining I i dont get throughj they will intervene, but I would rather have the Honda just fix the issue.

Anybody that has done the re-ring and was covered 100% by Honda?

Thanks all,

Lologfuys
 
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First of all, are you burning oil or having misfires now?

Started with Check Oil light, then misfires. .

How much oil are you burning?1.6qts every 1300 miles

"The lawsuit repair is a temporary fix, I Know the problems will come back soon after the repair is done. The permanent fix is to disable VCM:
IMHO, Don't waste your time with the dealership. Disable VCM and you should be fine."

I know about the nuzzler and actually bought one, but the cylinder rings are toasted now and the plan I have now is have honda replace the cylinder rings and after that I will install the nuzzler. Honda has done the oil consumtion test and they tell me that yes, there is a big problem, but the dealership says that Honda will only cover 80% of the cost of the fix and I get to pay the other 20%. Under my understanding it should all be honda.

I went one step further ancd contacted the lawyers who were part of the lawsuit and they told me that first I have to cantact Customer care at honda and after complaining I i dont get throughj they will intervene, but I would rather have the Honda just fix the issue.

Anybody that has done the re-ring and was covered 100% by Honda?

Thanks all,

Lologuays
 
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gilldogg said:
Where do I get this VCM delete device. And how do you put it on the vehicle.
I have a 2008 Honda Odyssey.
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Does your model have variable cylinder management? If so, the muzzler connects between a coolant sensor and the vehicle wiring harness. It fools the computer into thinking the van is not fully warmed up enough to engage VCM. Your year may not have the piston ring issue. That said, it will still have an issue with motor mounts that seem to be torn up as the VCM engages/disengages.
 
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Thanks. Yes it has the VCM. Piston ring issue. Don’t think so. I did a compression test due to the oil usage about 8-9 months ago and has good compression on all cylinders. I thought possibly the valve seals were going bad. I have seen where you can buy replacement seals and they say “new improved” seals. So I wonder if there was a issue there also.
 
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If they won't cover the ring replacement there is no way I'd pay for it without trying the Muzzler for a while first. The rings aren't "damaged" but just dirty from carbon build up from continued cylinder shut down. Most of the time, disabling VCM and thus causing all of the cylinders to all fire all the time will eventually clean things up. Honda doesn't have the liberty of "fixing" it this way, but you do.
 
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Thank you John Clark

John Clark said:
I agree with the above. Install a VCM defeat device and likely the oil burning will be reduced considerably over the next few fillups. If you're getting misfires then replace the spark plugs. Most of the time, with VCM disabled, the rings will slowly clean themselves up and things will go back to normal.
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Interesting information from John Clark.
Specifically, all the information from John Clark is so valuable (I read month's worth of massive amounts of data), that I just registered to post a thank you to John Clark.

Thank you for your contribution John Clark.

Garrett
2014 Honda Odyssey EX-L Nav
 
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I’m going to disagree and say that you need both. A muzzler alone will not fix piston rings. I’m not sure, from what you have reported, what the dealer wants you to pay for. Perhaps they are suggesting doing the rings not involved in the recall? Or do they want you to pay for a timing belt service and the spark plugs the recall does not cover? More information is needed here.
If possible, try another dealer.
Once all this is resolved, do use a muzzler for many reasons beyond oil consumption alone.

I can’t seem to find where you told us how many miles are on this van. Pretty basic information needed to help in a post like this.
 
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If it were up to me to pay for it I'd just try the Muzzler first for a few months and see if it resolves it. I've seen it, first hand, resolve oil burning (2-3 quarts low at oil change time) on two gen 4 Odys I've worked on.
 
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@lologuay:

I have a 2010 EXL that was burning through the same amount of oil as yours. I have one of the first VCMuzzlers that Verbatim sold. Since I installed it over 40000 miles ago, I have not used a drop of oil on 8000 mile oil change intervals using Pennzoil full synthetic.

My suggestion is to install the Muzzler, change the spark plugs and see what happens. If the oil consumption ceases, problem solved. If not, run a few cans of Sea Foam through the engine and that may free the piston rings up. Either way you will know the answer within a 1000 miles. I don't know what the current cost of the Muzzler is, but it ain't $1000 the Stealership is trying to extort from you.

Ken
 
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John Clark said:
If they won't cover the ring replacement there is no way I'd pay for it without trying the Muzzler for a while first. The rings aren't "damaged" but just dirty from carbon build up from continued cylinder shut down. Most of the time, disabling VCM and thus causing all of the cylinders to all fire all the time will eventually clean things up. Honda doesn't have the liberty of "fixing" it this way, but you do.
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"just dirty from carbon build up" this is the result as mentioned above

Honda doesn't have the liberty of "fixing" it this way, but you do

Thanks to John Clark..well said
 
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