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Like he said, you are making the "easy" hard. 😁

1) how you will convert the "cherry picker's" published lifting height range of 69-5/8" to 82" to less than 61" since the bottom of the van's roof is 61" above the ground and you need to lower the crane lower than that to connect to the chair before lifting.
Address the issue of the van being too low instead of the hoist being too high. Some options.

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2) how you will roll the "cherry picker's" heavy frame out while simultaneously holding and guiding the chair out of the doorway
One hand on the seat and one hand on this, rigged with a pully system between the carport and the lift used to solve problem number 1. As you tighten the come-along, the hoist moves away from the van.

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3) how the "cherry picker" can roll in/out when the carport's floor is higher than the sidewalk like in my case (as shown in my youtube video),
Some pre-work may be required:

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4) how you will lower the 70 lb chair all the way down to the dolly without a rope and pulley assembly,

See the solution to number 5


5) how you will position the dolly under the chair since the cherry picker's bottom frame is in the way.
Actually, this one might really work:

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QED 😁
 
1) how you will convert the "cherry picker's" published lifting height range of 69-5/8" to 82" to less than 61" since the bottom of the van's roof is 61" above the ground and you need to lower the crane lower than that to connect to the chair before lifting, 2) how you will roll the "cherry picker's" heavy frame out while simultaneously holding and guiding the chair out of the doorway
These two are easily addressed. The lift heights are MAX lift heights. The lower number is for the max weight setting (arm short) and the high number is for the min weight setting (arm long). The lift arm will go from near the floor to the full lift height at the minimum weight setting. With the arm set long, there is plenty of room between the legs to have a dolly and set the vehicle seat down (you can fit a complete engine and transmission assembly down between the legs...). You guide the lifted item and the cherry picker the same way everyone does with them - one hand on each, or you let the lifted item swing a bit.

That said, I see no reason to use a cherry picker. The lowest capacity version from Harbor Frieght weighs 150lbs and costs $260+tax...

I would definitely use a cherry picker / engine hoist to put actual heavy things in the van (like, and engine and transmission!) but it is the wrong tool for the seats. (yes, I have put engines and/or transmissions in multiple sedans and wagons in the past... haven't had a reason in the van yet - that's what the utility trailer is for now) Heck, I even used mine to lift a car shell into a utility trailer.

-Charlie
 
Why would we assume "retired"? I'm not retired and I enjoy woodworking and tinkering.

Tinkering: I recently installed the hitch and transmission cooler on my Ody.

Woodworking: I build beds, kitchen cabinets, bookcases, etc.

The vast majority of tinkerers and woodworkers that I know are not retired.
maybe you should watch raptors videos, before taking offense to the obvious.
 
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These two are easily addressed. The lift heights are MAX lift heights. The lower number is for the max weight setting (arm short) and the high number is for the min weight setting (arm long). The lift arm will go from near the floor to the full lift height at the minimum weight setting. With the arm set long, there is plenty of room between the legs to have a dolly and set the vehicle seat down (you can fit a complete engine and transmission assembly down between the legs...). You guide the lifted item and the cherry picker the same way everyone does with them - one hand on each, or you let the lifted item swing a bit.

That said, I see no reason to use a cherry picker. The lowest capacity version from Harbor Frieght weighs 150lbs and costs $260+tax...

I would definitely use a cherry picker / engine hoist to put actual heavy things in the van (like, and engine and transmission!) but it is the wrong tool for the seats. (yes, I have put engines and/or transmissions in multiple sedans and wagons in the past... haven't had a reason in the van yet - that's what the utility trailer is for now) Heck, I even used mine to lift a car shell into a utility trailer.

-Charlie
You failed to address my problem of our carport floor being higher than the sidewalk. The uneven levels makes rolling a hoist with a 70 lb seat dangling in/out very, very difficult. Anyway, glad to hear that you found a solution for you.
 
maybe you should watch raptors videos, before taking offense to the obvious.
No offense was taken. It was the use of the words "assume he's retired " that I questioned.

I've scanned or watched fully a number of his videos. What specifically should I have seen that would lead me to the assumption that he is retired?

On the other hand, what exactly do you mean by "retired"? My dad "retired" twice. (He collected pensions from both jobs for many years) Then, the day after he died at age 89 we called his then-current employer to let them know that he had passed.
 
I just posted a video on youtube about a jig I made to remove the 2nd row seats in our 2018+ Ody. Might be handy for some 2018- Ody owners.

Remove the second row seats from any mini-van without pulling your back

Raptor88 (usefulgizmos on youtube)
Ingenious, clever. I’ve been reading these posts the last few years hoping to make up my mind about updating our 2010 Ody to a new one with all the new safety features. This video has probably made up my mind to buy a Chrysler Pacifica that has a much better second row seat design thus providing less of a chance to relearn all the words to the song “Oh, My Aching Back.”
 
You failed to address my problem of our carport floor being higher than the sidewalk. The uneven levels makes rolling a hoist with a 70 lb seat dangling in/out very, very difficult. Anyway, glad to hear that you found a solution for you.
I'm not the commenter on the Youtube video and I'm not here to defend him or his comments. I just wanted to clarify to you how a cherry picker works.

I don't think its the right solution for you - and even with 70lbs seats, I would (personally, not for you!) just lift them out by hand. I throw around a 40+lb 3-year old and 25+lb twins daily...

-Charlie
 
Ingenious, clever. I’ve been reading these posts the last few years hoping to make up my mind about updating our 2010 Ody to a new one with all the new safety features. This video has probably made up my mind to buy a Chrysler Pacifica that has a much better second row seat design thus providing less of a chance to relearn all the words to the song “Oh, My Aching Back.”
The features that the Chrysler has makes them attractive. I would be concerned about long term reliability. There are tons of 2nd Generation Odysseys on the road (even a few 1st gen) in great physical and mechanical condition. The Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth minivans (and these are the pioneers in the minivan class of vehicles) of similar vintage have been long retired and few come close to making it over 150,000 or so miles on the odometer. The ones that I see on the road in the same vintage look and sound sad. I don't think these vehicles have the same quality as the Hondas do.

We tend to keep our vehicles long term--first two Odysseys ('99 and '06) made it to 230,000+ miles, the second one would have made it much higher but it was totalled. Am pretty confident that our '15 with 72,000 miles has a lot of life left in it. I am very pleased with the long term ownership value of the vehicles that Honda makes (also had Accords with over 200K). Am not so sure if we would have the same experience if we had purchased a Chrysler product.

Would be nice if Honda could innovate the seat stuff like Chrysler has. I have rented Chrysler minivans in the past and was impressed with the seat stowage technology as well as hidden storage that they had. The long term reliability kept me from considering the Chrysler when we bought our 2 year old 2015 odyssey.
 
Discussion starter · #49 ·
Ingenious, clever. I’ve been reading these posts the last few years hoping to make up my mind about updating our 2010 Ody to a new one with all the new safety features. This video has probably made up my mind to buy a Chrysler Pacifica that has a much better second row seat design thus providing less of a chance to relearn all the words to the song “Oh, My Aching Back.”
Maybe try sitting in the 2nd row seats of the Pacifica to decide whether they are comfortable enough for your passengers, especially on long trips. The 2nd row seats in the 2018+ Odys are bulky and heavy but they are comfortable.
 
Would be nice if Honda could innovate the seat stuff like Chrysler has. I have rented Chrysler minivans in the past and was impressed with the seat stowage technology as well as hidden storage that they had. The long term reliability kept me from considering the Chrysler when we bought our 2 year old 2015 odyssey.
I haven't sat in a Dodge/Chrysler minivan in a long time, but when I was shopping for a new(er) van after my 04 got crushed by a tree, we checked out a Dodge with the Stow-and-Go seats. I too was impressed with the stowage technology, but I (with SWMBO's full agreement) just couldn't subject my kids (teenagers at the time) to the hardness of the seats. Both the 2nd row and rear seats were so uncomfortable compared to Ody's that we chose to deal with the inconvenience of removing them.

Granted, this was back in 2014, so things may have changed. I agree with Raptor88 that a test (ride) of the 2nd row and rear seats would be a good idea.
 
I just posted a video on youtube about a jig I made to remove the 2nd row seats in our 2018+ Ody. Might be handy for some 2018- Ody owners.

Remove the second row seats from any mini-van without pulling your back

Raptor88 (usefulgizmos on youtube)
Terrific video - a precise standard operating procedure (SOP) - love it! Thank you, Raptor88.
BTW, I noticed you have built a carpeted platform to level the cargo area (what were those engineers thinking?) Do you have drawings you can share?
 
Maybe try sitting in the 2nd row seats of the Pacifica to decide whether they are comfortable enough for your passengers, especially on long trips. The 2nd row seats in the 2018+ Odys are bulky and heavy but they are comfortable.
have sat on stow n go seats in the caravan.
might as well be on a wood bench.
designed for children or car seats.

great concept, but comes at a price.

and its a dodge...
 
Discussion starter · #53 ·
Terrific video - a precise standard operating procedure (SOP) - love it! Thank you, Raptor88.
BTW, I noticed you have built a carpeted platform to level the cargo area (what were those engineers thinking?) Do you have drawings you can share?
Hi gebinns,
Thank your for your kind comments. I plan to post a youtube video on how my false floor is constructed. I don't see post numbers to reference a previous post I made in this thread so here's a copy of it:

"But for now, my floor is made out of 3/8 plywood with sufficient supports below for that thickness plywood. The design consideration was that thick plywood is heavy while supports for 3/8" plywood are light. Also that the less weight the better for gas mileage.

The floor behind the 2nd row seats always stay in the van (unless for a very rare occasion if we need the 3rd row seats, which hasn't happened since I built the false floor).

Being 3/8" plywood, the forward section of plywood is very light and easy to install and remove when the 2nd row seats are out of the van. Also for storage, that 3/8" plywood takes up minimal space when not being used. I just slip it between a shelf assembly and a large grill in our carport. Just needs 1" of space to slip it between those items."


Raptor88
 
Hi gebinns,
Thank your for your kind comments. I plan to post a youtube video on how my false floor is constructed. I don't see post numbers to reference a previous post I made in this thread so here's a copy of it:

"But for now, my floor is made out of 3/8 plywood with sufficient supports below for that thickness plywood. The design consideration was that thick plywood is heavy while supports for 3/8" plywood are light. Also that the less weight the better for gas mileage.

The floor behind the 2nd row seats always stay in the van (unless for a very rare occasion if we need the 3rd row seats, which hasn't happened since I built the false floor).

Being 3/8" plywood, the forward section of plywood is very light and easy to install and remove when the 2nd row seats are out of the van. Also for storage, that 3/8" plywood takes up minimal space when not being used. I just slip it between a shelf assembly and a large grill in our carport. Just needs 1" of space to slip it between those items."


Raptor88
Are the supports permanently attached? Seems like you'd need more than 1" of space for the supports.
 
have sat on stow n go seats in the caravan.
might as well be on a wood bench.
designed for children or car seats.

great concept, but comes at a price.

and its a dodge...
Good to know about the Stow n Go seats--only drove the rental vans with that feature and played with seats, but never actually sat on them!

Maybe they are being consistent with their motto--"Built RAM tough"--don't think of male goats as being the epitome of comfort.
 
have sat on stow n go seats in the caravan.
might as well be on a wood bench.
designed for children or car seats.

great concept, but comes at a price.

and its a dodge...
What model year?
 
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Are the supports permanently attached? Seems like you'd need more than 1" of space for the supports.
Hi DerbyDad03,

The 1" of space that I referred to is not in the van. It's where I store the forward piece of plywood when it is removed from the van. The rear false floor remains in the van.

To clarify, my false floor is made up of two pieces of 3/8" plywood. I'll call them the forward piece (which is removed when the 2nd row seats are installed), and the rear piece (which remains in the van when the 2nd row seats are installed).

To install the 2nd row seats, I remove the forward piece of plywood from the van and then store it in a 1" wide space between a shelving unit and a large BBQ grill. I just slide the plywood in that space. There is one 3/4" x about 3-1/2" piece of plywood for the support that remains attached to the forward plywood. It's toward one end of the plywood so it still allows sliding the plywood between the shelving and grill. When that plywood is installed in the van, the other end rests on the support of the rear false floor that is shared between the rear and forward plywood pieces. That's why the there is only need for one support on the forward plywood.

The rear false floor remains in the van. Then I reinstall the 2nd row seats. I end up with the 2nd row seats installed and the rear false floor in the remaining cargo area behind the 2nd row seats.

If more clarification is needed, let me know,
Raptor88
 
Hi DerbyDad03,

The 1" of space that I referred to is not in the van. It's where I store the forward piece of plywood when it is removed from the van. The rear false floor remains in the van.
I know that. I was asking about the 1" of storage storage area.

..snip...There is one 3/4" x about 3-1/2" piece of plywood for the support that remains attached to the forward plywood. It's toward one end of the plywood so it still allows sliding the plywood between the shelving and grill.
That answers the question I was asking.

If more clarification is needed, let me know,
Thank you. All set.
 
5th generation which has been the same for the past 12 years.
Thanks. I sat in a Grand Caravan back in 2014 and hated the rock hard seats. I don't remember what year the vehicle was but it sounds like it doesn't matter. Apparently they've sucked for a long time.
 
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