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#21 ·
WiiMaster said:
Be careful with specials though, a lot of times they will show a real cheap price, but that won't include everything. It might not include the tensioner, among other things.
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So I decided to have a local independent shop I like do the job. He quoted me $357 for the Aisin kit and $570 for labor. I asked if I could order the Aisin kit myself and he was ok with it.

While he is doing the timing belt change, is there anything else I should have done? Might as well buy it from RockAuto and have him do it at the same time.
 
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Good decision. I don't know how your mechanic can quote $357 for the Aisin kit.

It retails for $180 at Rock Auto. Buy it there. Do not buy it from Amazon orEbay - lot's of counterfeit kits sold there.

You want Aisin kit # TKH002



I recommend you also buy the following and have it all done at the same time:

Buy a new thermostat (Aisin or Honda)
Get 2 gallons of Honda coolant
Buy new spark plugs (NTK Iridium)
Buy a new serpentine belt (Genuine Honda)

If you get the Aisin thermostat you may have to buy the seal separately. The Honda thermosat comes with a new seal.
 
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didima said:
I am curious if the mechanic would still warranty labor if the parts are supplied by the customer
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Depends on the mechanic, some will, others won't.
 
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Ask your mechanic where he is seeing the Aisin kit for $357. That’s outrageous.

Even at NAPA it’s $272, which is the highest price I’ve ever seen for it. Do a google search and you’ll see it for around $180 -200 at most places.
 
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thscott said:
Ask your mechanic where he is seeing the Aisin kit for $357. That’s outrageous.

Even at NAPA it’s $272, which is the highest price I’ve ever seen for it. Do a google search and you’ll see it for around $180 -200 at most places.
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I am looking at getting the Aisin kit from RockAuto online and it is $180. I am going back to him to quote the additional items to be done. Let me see if I get negotiate with him a little bit on the price to have it under warranty, his labor cost seems reasonable to me and I have already change the passenger axle seal with him and he seems to have done a good job on that.
 
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thscott said:
Ask your mechanic where he is seeing the Aisin kit for $357. That’s outrageous.
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That's his markup in exchange for his warranty on the work.

From a business perspective, it seems reasonable to me. He gets the kit from a source he trusts, and also he's compensated for the additional service to the customer.
 
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didima said:
I would pay the $180 mark up your mechanic wants to warranty it. You still get a much better overall price than from a dealership plus some piece of mind in case something is wrong with the kit or with the installation
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Yeah I think you are right. The job (timing belt kit, thermostat, spark plugs, serpentine belt, all Honda parts) is scheduled for next Tuesday. The price is still way below dealerships’s price.

Thanks to everyone for your help.
 
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Just wondering if anyone can recommend a reputable local independent mechanic in the CT area to do the timing belt/water pump/tensioner/etc service. My 2005 Odyssey has 177,000 miles. The timing belt/water pump was last changed in 2013 at ~90k miles at a Honda dealer. I think the cost at that time was around 1100.00. Thanks.
 
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electropower said:
Just wondering if anyone can recommend a reputable local independent mechanic in the CT area to do the timing belt/water pump/tensioner/etc service. My 2005 Odyssey has 177,000 miles. The timing belt/water pump was last changed in 2013 at ~90k miles at a Honda dealer. I think the cost at that time was around 1100.00. Thanks.
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I do not have a CT mechanic recommendation, but I do recommend you order the Aisin timing belt kit from Rock Auto for $180 and when you find a good local mechanic have him/her install it for you.
 
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btatbui2017 said:
We had our 2005 Odyssey timing belt, tensioner, water pump and valves adjusted back in June 2012 with about 100K miles. The minivan is now at about 190K and 7 years after the first timing belt replacement. The parts are Honda for the timing belt replacement work by the dealer. 95% the drives are short local trips about 10-15 miles.

I had the timing belt on my 2007 replaced at 102K by the dealer. They replaced the belt, tensioner and water pump. Total price $861.60
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btatbui2017 said:
We had our 2005 Odyssey timing belt, tensioner, water pump and valves adjusted back in June 2012 with about 100K miles. The minivan is now at about 190K and 7 years after the first timing belt replacement. The parts are Honda for the timing belt replacement work by the dealer. 95% the drives are short local trips about 10-15 miles.

Will this timing belt last for another year which will get us to about 102K miles for this belt and 8 years? How long does the timing belt last? Is this years or miles? Or should we replace this belt soon? We just did the LCA and the engine/transmission mounts and wanted to spread out the cost.

Beyond, the parts above, we are thinking of changing the thermostat, spark plugs and spark plug tubes. While the tech is working on this, are there other preventive things that we should replace since he is already in there? Heard about cam shaft seal, crankshaft seal or oil pump seal? If the work is not that much, we rather have it done ahead to avoid paying for the tech to go back in there.

We are getting P0420 on a weekly basis and might have to change out the catalytic converter behind the engine. Any benefits on this work and the timing belt? Are there any recommendation on the various flanges or clamps that we would need for this replacement since everything seems to be rusted?

We had one of the spark plug re-threaded about 80K miles ago. Have anyone seen issue with changing out the plugs with the re-threading?

Apologize ahead for the many questions above.

Thanks,
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I don't recommend this but I got my timing belt done for the 1st time at 165k. 3rd owner. 1st 25k in NY, next 50k in Miami area, last 90k in central Illinois. My hyd tensioner started clacking in cold startup scenarios, quiet down once warmed up. Drove it for 2-3 weeks in warm weather on vacation & drove home 1000 miles so that I could get the job done outside of dealerships. Old timing belt showed virtually no signs of wear, water pump was in great shape (no leaks, no impeller/bearing issues) , tensioner pulley good (had a worn spot where tensioner was clacking, idler pulley bearing worn a bit & bearing showed signs of wear, serpentine belt chafed & signs of damage, tensioner shot leaking fluid. See ya again at 300k? We'll see, but will keep eye from 275k on.
 
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gman62 said:
I don't recommend this but I got my timing belt done for the 1st time at 165k. 3rd owner. 1st 25k in NY, next 50k in Miami area, last 90k in central Illinois. My hyd tensioner started clacking in cold startup scenarios, quiet down once warmed up. Drove it for 2-3 weeks in warm weather on vacation & drove home 1000 miles so that I could get the job done outside of dealerships. Old timing belt showed virtually no signs of wear, water pump was in great shape (no leaks, no impeller/bearing issues) , tensioner pulley good (had a worn spot where tensioner was clacking, idler pulley bearing worn a bit & bearing showed signs of wear, serpentine belt chafed & signs of damage, tensioner shot leaking fluid. See ya again at 300k? We'll see, but will keep eye from 275k on.
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You were lucky. What brand parts did you have installed by your mechanic?
 
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thscott said:
You were lucky. What brand parts did you have installed by your mechanic?
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Again, not sure I recommend eBay kits but I ordered one claiming to be genuine, had all the Honda labels & packaging for $170+tax. Took the kit to the dealer to inspect expecting whammies. None found. Inspected aluminum die cast water pump as I thought that would be easiest to determine fake. Parts guy & myself couldnt tell the difference. Same with timing belt. Tensioner & idler pulleys Koyo branded and all markings looked legit. Time will tell I guess. After digging around on internet, next best option would be Rock Auto Aisin kit for about the same price, but doesnt include cshft & cmsft seals and serpentine belt. For the record, I would not change out water pump every t-belt change (105k mi) unless severe weather driving conditions or possibly large % of in city, stop n go short trips usage. Even then not sure it's totally necessary. Not leaking, no bearing noise, no cooling issues, no reason in my mind. Same with cshft & cmshft seals, no leaking no replace every time. Every other okay.
 
#37 ·
The problem with fake ebay kits is commonly the belt. The belt fails and KABOOM make it rain $$$ at your favorite local shop. The guy in the video bought his kit from ebay. Read the comments for "that just happened to me too!" from several people.

 
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gman62 said:
Again, not sure I recommend eBay kits but I ordered one claiming to be genuine, had all the Honda labels & packaging for $170+tax. Took the kit to the dealer to inspect expecting whammies. None found. Inspected aluminum die cast water pump as I thought that would be easiest to determine fake. Parts guy & myself couldnt tell the difference. Same with timing belt. Tensioner & idler pulleys Koyo branded and all markings looked legit. Time will tell I guess. After digging around on internet, next best option would be Rock Auto Aisin kit for about the same price, but doesnt include cshft & cmsft seals and serpentine belt. For the record, I would not change out water pump every t-belt change (105k mi) unless severe weather driving conditions or possibly large % of in city, stop n go short trips usage. Even then not sure it's totally necessary. Not leaking, no bearing noise, no cooling issues, no reason in my mind. Same with cshft & cmshft seals, no leaking no replace every time. Every other okay.
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You likely have counterfeit parts. There is no Honda timing belt kit. Most of the so called genuine Honda kits sold on eBay are junk or counterfeit. The Aisin kit is the go to kit and the only one recommended. You should replace the water pump every time you replace the timing components.

Also you’re not going to get genuine Honda timing belt parts for $170. That’s a strong indicator that you were ripped off.

I recommend you install a new timing belt kit ASAP before you suffer a catastrophic failure.
 
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The big 'if' with timing belt longevity is if the belt is exposed to oil or coolant, both of which will degrade the belt.

Regarding supporting your local and honest mechanic, the issue is he's got to make enough to support himself, his wife and his kids, pay his taxes, pay 16% on Social Security, pay the rent on his shop, pay his health insurance, which can be upwards of $20K, and support callbacks. All of which is why he marks up his parts.

Finally, an honest mechanic will only charge you for the work that actually needs to be done. He will not make work, and by not making work, it makes it hard to be profitable. Go figure!
 
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gman62 said:
Again, not sure I recommend eBay kits but I ordered one claiming to be genuine, had all the Honda labels & packaging for $170+tax. Took the kit to the dealer to inspect expecting whammies. None found. Inspected aluminum die cast water pump as I thought that would be easiest to determine fake. Parts guy & myself couldnt tell the difference. Same with timing belt. Tensioner & idler pulleys Koyo branded and all markings looked legit. Time will tell I guess. After digging around on internet, next best option would be Rock Auto Aisin kit for about the same price, but doesnt include cshft & cmsft seals and serpentine belt. For the record, I would not change out water pump every t-belt change (105k mi) unless severe weather driving conditions or possibly large % of in city, stop n go short trips usage. Even then not sure it's totally necessary. Not leaking, no bearing noise, no cooling issues, no reason in my mind. Same with cshft & cmshft seals, no leaking no replace every time. Every other okay.
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No matter what the dealer tells you and the parts look like, one can NOT sell genuine Honda parts needed for TB change for $170 and actually make $$. (Tensioner, idler Pully + bearing, WPump, TBelt at the minimum)

CHEAPEST genuine Honda "kit" (there is no kit from Honda, there are Honda dealers which will create a "kit" out of individual Honda Parts) I have seen including everything that comes with AISIN kit from the verified dealership is around $475 or so.

IF Honda parts are not coming from a Honda dealer, then you are most likely getting a counterfeit.

JUST the water pump is $150 or so from discounted Honda parts seller.

Considering AISIN kit from legitimate dealer will cost you only about $10-20 more than your "iffy" package, why would you risk it? Just wondering.
 
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