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Third time in for service, each time it’s been same issue, all issues have occurred in last 12 months, 140k miles on the van today.
They simply replace and it’s fine for several months.
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Curious if anyone has had any success with a more permanent fix and what it was?

I realize there was a class action lawsuit with this issue back in 2014.
 
I had the exact problems. I bought a 2015 Honday Odyssey EX-L 189500 miles for $6500. Had one missfire at 189600 and 193400. P0301 fouled plugs. I mightttt be other things BUT the VCM is known to cause these issues. The VCM disabler is easy to install and only costs $100. I have never changed a tire or oil, and am mechanically retarded. I was able to install the VCM disabler in 10 minutes and it turned off the VCM. I will keep y'all updated.
 
I had the exact problems. I bought a 2015 Honday Odyssey EX-L 189500 miles for $6500. Had one missfire at 189600 and 193400. P0301 fouled plugs. I mightttt be other things BUT the VCM is known to cause these issues. The VCM disabler is easy to install and only costs $100. I have never changed a tire or oil, and am mechanically retarded. I was able to install the VCM disabler in 10 minutes and it turned off the VCM. I will keep y'all updated.
Keep us posted....
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Fuel soaked #1 means poor ignition due to plugs & coils, or low compression, or bad fuel injector. Seems like have ruled out plug&coils. Changing fuel injectors is a lot of work, but a compression test is not.
Just heard from the shop, spark plug 1 is fuel soaked again, they have ran a compression test and it comes back clean. They replaced the spark plug and van is running again. Can I just confirm, does installing a VCM mitigate issues I’m seeing with a fuel soaked spark plug without the need to possible replace the fuel injectors?
 
Just heard from the shop, spark plug 1 is fuel soaked again, they have ran a compression test and it comes back clean. They replaced the spark plug and van is running again. Can I just confirm, does installing a VCM mitigate issues I’m seeing with a fuel soaked spark plug without the need to possible replace the fuel injectors?
It's likely. Really you should do it regardless. You do not want VCM.
 
The possible theory: When VCM (ECO mode) is enabled, it disconnects the valves from some of the cylinders, then at the same time the fuel injectors are not opened by the solenoids (simply the ECU doesn't send the signal to open every inlet cycle) and the cylinders are basically disabled that way. However, the fuel pump is still providing pressure and if the fuel injector doesn't close of completely, it will slowly leak and fill up the cylinder, thereby wetting the spark plug. Every time the cylinder is afterwards enabled again, there is a very rich mixture, which will cause soot deposits to build up on the spark plug. After a couple of cycles this way, the spark plug will be so sooted and wet that it will simply not spark properly anymore.. which leads to the misfire..

A good bet is that disabling the VCM system with a muzzler, will prevent the slow drip from the injector being problematic as each ignition cycle the small amount of extra fuel will simple burn up. It's probably a negligible amount if the cylinder is in constant use. It may still leak a little when parking the car, making it sometimes a little harder to start after parking for longer than a short time (enough fuel leaked to be noticeable) , or shorter than a long time (fuel pressure dissipated, and fuel has evaporated).

Recommendation: Install the VCM muzzler. (I did it with a simple 100Ohm resistor type muzzler), but more intricate versions exist that prevent false engine temp readings during overheat conditions. Suggest you read up on their functioning and make a decision on which will suffice for your use and level of comfort.
 
Good news that compression is ok! VCM affects mutiple cylinders, hard to see how it would only mess up 1, maybe someone can explain. If problem comes back, then I think you are looking at fuel injector, or, scoping the signals being sent to the coil and injector by the wire harness at the connectors.
 
Good news that compression is ok! VCM affects mutiple cylinders, hard to see how it would only mess up 1, maybe someone can explain. If problem comes back, then I think you are looking at fuel injector, or, scoping the signals being sent to the coil and injector by the wire harness at the connectors.
It affects multiple cylinders, yes, but not necessarily at the same time. You may only see misfires on one cylinder at first.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
The possible theory: When VCM (ECO mode) is enabled, it disconnects the valves from some of the cylinders, then at the same time the fuel injectors are not opened by the solenoids (simply the ECU doesn't send the signal to open every inlet cycle) and the cylinders are basically disabled that way. However, the fuel pump is still providing pressure and if the fuel injector doesn't close of completely, it will slowly leak and fill up the cylinder, thereby wetting the spark plug. Every time the cylinder is afterwards enabled again, there is a very rich mixture, which will cause soot deposits to build up on the spark plug. After a couple of cycles this way, the spark plug will be so sooted and wet that it will simply not spark properly anymore.. which leads to the misfire..

A good bet is that disabling the VCM system with a muzzler, will prevent the slow drip from the injector being problematic as each ignition cycle the small amount of extra fuel will simple burn up. It's probably a negligible amount if the cylinder is in constant use. It may still leak a little when parking the car, making it sometimes a little harder to start after parking for longer than a short time (enough fuel leaked to be noticeable) , or shorter than a long time (fuel pressure dissipated, and fuel has evaporated).

Recommendation: Install the VCM muzzler. (I did it with a simple 100Ohm resistor type muzzler), but more intricate versions exist that prevent false engine temp readings during overheat conditions. Suggest you read up on their functioning and make a decision on which will suffice for your use and level of comfort.
Thanks for spending the time and educating me even further. Really appreciate it.
 
Oil fouling is also a symptom of VCM. It gets on the spark plugs, causing the misfire.

Regarding the different muzzler types, my VCM Megathread that kernel linked describes the recommended ones.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Kind of crazy to think back now, I owned a 2006 odyssey until about two years ago and ended up replacing the engine mounts while i owned the vehicle, never thought to think of what caused it, sounds like this could of been the cause.
 
Kind of crazy to think back now, I owned a 2006 odyssey until about two years ago and ended up replacing the engine mounts while i owned the vehicle, never thought to think of what caused it, sounds like this could of been the cause.
Was it an EX-L or Touring? If so, it's very likely.
 
Then yes, it had VCM and that was most likely the culprit.
 
And most Ody owners are clueless about this VCM issue.

I have tried to educate my two neighbors with VCM Odys.
Even sending emails with links to this site with all the info.

Response, limited, to none.

It amazing, it's almost like owners/some don't want to hear it.

Denial is a powerful ......

I tried.
 
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