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I drove home today from a 40-mile round trip. The engine dashboard system did not shut down as it usually does. I went into the house and came back later to get some groceries out of the back hatch door. The door will not open, not automatically or manually. The engine will not start. The front lights were on and the battery seems to have worn down. All the dashboard lights dealing with the brake system all come on one at a time. A low battery warning came on. The courtesy light overhead was very dim. I bought the car used in March with 19500 miles on it. Now after a 1200 mile road trip, it has 25500 miles total in August.
I was going to use a jump start battery pack to get the engine going but decided instead to charge the battery with a "Battery Minder" charger which indicated the battery was low and weak.
I am quite upset and bewildered. There was no warning at all. I am lucky that this happened on my driveway in front of the garage and not on the road out in the country somewhere.
Can anyone tell me of it is OK to just a jump pack engine starter? The manual shows to use the engine mount on the side opposite the battery to connect the ground to and then use the positive side of the battery to connect the positive charger or jumper to.
I noticed the battery negative terminal has a cable which goes to the nearby car frame to ground the entire electrical system to. I wonder why I cannot just connnect the chargr to that cable which is way more convenient.
One thing I did notice in the drivers seat overhead is the green light by the assist and call was lit. The battery minder still is showing the battery very low. I cannot open the rear door to get my groceries out. HELP PLEASE!
 
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I would disconnect the negative terminal from the battery, wait 5 mins, and let the system reset.

But yes, you can hook your jump pack to the positive terminal on the battery, and the negative/ground post on the frame or body of the car.
 
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shrimpmoney said:
I would disconnect the negative terminal from the battery, wait 5 mins, and let the system reset.

But yes, you can hook your jump pack to the positive terminal on the battery, and the negative/ground post on the frame or body of the car.
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shrimpmoney said:
I would disconnect the negative terminal from the battery, wait 5 mins, and let the system reset.

But yes, you can hook your jump pack to the positive terminal on the battery, and the negative/ground post on the frame or body of the car.
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The car is still in warranty and I hesitate to do anything outside of charging the battery. I am 76 and handicapped. The entire back of the van is loaded. If the battery will not take a charge I'l have to call a tow truck and have it taken to my local honda dealer in the morning I guess. Thanks for the help.
 
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Forget the battery jump start pack, everyone I have talked to said they are worthless on all new generation vehicles, they are meant for older vehicles and as soon as it tries to crank the voltage will go straight to 0 VDC. Get yourself a new Battery, it will resolve all your problems, unless you want to jump start from anothe vehicl and leave it running for roughly 25-30 minutes and take it straight to the Honda dealer if you still have warranty left. And yes you can use the chassis bolted negative for jumpering, but the positive must go to the battery. Also insure that the ODY has everything turned off including the Stop button and doors/tailgate closed. These batteries in the GEN 5 Ody will not last but possibly 2-3 years and thats it! I cannot say the new battery will last longer because of the data and years in the ODY is limited. Perhaps in another 2 years it we will know how long a new battery will last (but Not Honda's battery)
 
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DJVAN said:
Forget the battery jump start pack, everyone I have talked to said they are worthless on all new generation vehicles, they are meant for older vehicles and as soon as it tries to crank the voltage will go straight to 0 VDC.
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This is not true at all.
 
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tyman said:
This is not true at all.

Portable Lithium Jump Starter
King Kong TO said:
depends on what jump start packs you have, mine seam to work great; my brother's cheaper one useless.
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You will have to prove me wrong, the ampacity of these little lithium starter packs is not good for high starter capacity required to start an engine and when the current goes high the voltage does the opposite and goes down low.

A few of my friends with new generation vehicles told me that they do not work with due to their vehicles had induction starter motors and then those with older that had brush style starter motors of which they would work on, but if the engine had not been started for over a year, they would not start the older ones as well. There has been several people on the forum that has reported they wouldn't work on the GEN 5 Honda. Not knowing for sure what each friend had if it was a 500 amp starter kit or a 2000 amp starter kit.

If these starter packs work as you say they will, why not just replace your car battery with them!
 
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DJVAN said:
You will have to prove me wrong, the ampacity of these little lithium starter packs is not good for high starter capacity required to start an engine and when the current goes high the voltage does the opposite and goes down low.

A few of my friends with new generation vehicles told me that they do not work with due to their vehicles had induction starter motors and then those with older that had brush style starter motors of which they would work on, but if the engine had not been started for over a year, they would not start the older ones as well. There has been several people on the forum that has reported they wouldn't work on the GEN 5 Honda. Not knowing for sure what each friend had if it was a 500 amp starter kit or a 2000 amp starter kit.

If these starter packs work as you say they will, why not just replace your car battery with them!
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Well, life and real world has proven you wrong. My own personal anecdotal stories, I've used ours to start my 2011 Silverado 5.3l when it was -18*F here this past winter as well as my 2019 CR-V. Mine's a 2000A/20,000mAh jump starter. If they didn't work, people wouldn't buy them.

As far as your facetiously obtuse comment about replacing car battery with them, that proves to us that you fail to understand the technology of a jump starter vs. the technology of a battery, and basically stops this discussion/argument for you dead in the water because you fail to understand how something simple works. So, for that lack of knowledge and understanding, hopefully you see yourself out of this discussion, good day.
 
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tyman said:
Well, life and real world has proven you wrong. My own personal anecdotal stories, I've used ours to start my 2011 Silverado 5.3l when it was -18*F here this past winter as well as my 2019 CR-V. Mine's a 2000A/20,000mAh jump starter. If they didn't work, people wouldn't buy them.

As far as your facetiously obtuse comment about replacing car battery with them, that proves to us that you fail to understand the technology of a jump starter vs. the technology of a battery, and basically stops this discussion/argument for you dead in the water because you fail to understand how something simple works. So, for that lack of knowledge and understanding, hopefully you see yourself out of this discussion, good day.
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No, I have been working as a mechanic far longer than you have been alive. You have proven to me that it started a older truck (2011) that still uses brushes instead of a induction motor or do you understand what the difference is? My statement was to be a taken as sarcasm. But apparently you do not know what your are talking about as you only have experience as a back-yard mechanic and not one that has worked professionally on vehicles. It best if you keep to your path and I will stay on mine.
 
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This is my follow-up on my 2019 Ody Elite that died yesterday. I put a battery tender on it all night. It still would not start in the morning. My jump pack is pretty small. I called honda owners.com and they verified my van was still in warranty. They said to call roadside assistance. I did and they sent out AAA to put a big jump pack (3000 A ) on my engine. And also a test module that said the battery was bad. Once the engine started the AAA guy said to drive it straight to honda and he turned off the engine stop feature so it would keep the engine running. At the dealer which is around 10 miles away, they tested the battery and said there is nothing wrong with it and the cold cranking test was exceptionally high for the miles on the engine, 26,000. I talked to the service manager and he went and took a look at the van, He said they cannot find anything wrong. Personally, I think there is a gigantic bug in the software and they are just covering it up until the factory can fix it. I am planning to buy a big jump pack because I make a lot of trips cross country and can't be sitting around for hours waiting in the sun and heat for roadside assistance to show up. Any suggestions would be welcome.
 
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I used to have the issue with the Ody not shutting down but one of the software updates seems to have cured it. I'd check to see your system is fully up to date. Won't help now but may avoid a future problem.
 
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Stan-qaz said:
I used to have the issue with the Ody not shutting down but one of the software updates seems to have cured it. I'd check to see your system is fully up to date. Won't help now but may avoid a future problem.
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I am pretty sure they did some updates while they had my van for 2 hours. I noticed things being different on my dashboard.
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blueskynwater said:
This is my follow-up on my 2019 Ody Elite that died yesterday. I put a battery tender on it all night. It still would not start in the morning. My jump pack is pretty small. I called honda owners.com and they verified my van was still in warranty. They said to call roadside assistance. I did and they sent out AAA to put a big jump pack (3000 A ) on my engine. And also a test module that said the battery was bad. Once the engine started the AAA guy said to drive it straight to honda and he turned off the engine stop feature so it would keep the engine running. At the dealer which is around 10 miles away, they tested the battery and said there is nothing wrong with it and the cold cranking test was exceptionally high for the miles on the engine, 26,000. I talked to the service manager and he went and took a look at the van, He said they cannot find anything wrong. Personally, I think there is a gigantic bug in the software and they are just covering it up until the factory can fix it. I am planning to buy a big jump pack because I make a lot of trips cross country and can't be sitting around for hours waiting in the sun and heat for roadside assistance to show up. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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Is it possible there is a poor battery connection? I know that solid connections are essential in DC electricity. DC electrical runs on the "all or none principle." You could try cleaning all connections. Start with the battery terminals and then check the ground wiring. Perhaps another member can chime in on the exact procedure. DJVAN, are you there :)?

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Before I had to replace my 2018 EX battery after its third year, it too tested fine at the dealer but would on occasion not start my car. My solution - new battery. If your battery is older than or close to three years, ditch it for a new one. Forum members have recommended superior batteries to the Honda one.
 
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DJVAN said:
No, I have been working as a mechanic far longer than you have been alive. You have proven to me that it started a older truck (2011) that still uses brushes instead of a induction motor or do you understand what the difference is? My statement was to be a taken as sarcasm. But apparently you do not know what your are talking about as you only have experience as a back-yard mechanic and not one that has worked professionally on vehicles. It best if you keep to yor path and I will stay on mine.
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I proved to you that it started an older truck just as part of my anecdotal evidence in general, not that it could or couldn't start newer vehicles; the other part of my anecdotal evidence showed you that they do start newer vehicles just fine. And if you've been a mechanic longer than I've been alive, that would mean you've been a mechanic for far longer than 40 years and alive for at least 60 years+. You should know by now not to post stupid things.

Like I said, we're done here.
 
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blueskynwater said:
This is my follow-up on my 2019 Ody Elite that died yesterday. I put a battery tender on it all night. It still would not start in the morning. My jump pack is pretty small. I called honda owners.com and they verified my van was still in warranty. They said to call roadside assistance. I did and they sent out AAA to put a big jump pack (3000 A ) on my engine. And also a test module that said the battery was bad. Once the engine started the AAA guy said to drive it straight to honda and he turned off the engine stop feature so it would keep the engine running. At the dealer which is around 10 miles away, they tested the battery and said there is nothing wrong with it and the cold cranking test was exceptionally high for the miles on the engine, 26,000. I talked to the service manager and he went and took a look at the van, He said they cannot find anything wrong. Personally, I think there is a gigantic bug in the software and they are just covering it up until the factory can fix it. I am planning to buy a big jump pack because I make a lot of trips cross country and can't be sitting around for hours waiting in the sun and heat for roadside assistance to show up. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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So wait, the AAA guy put a jump pack on your van and it started?

Unpossible, DJVAN just proclaimed with his expansive and extensive knowledge as a mechanic for far longer than 40 years that they won't work on newer vehicles. Surely he isn't wrong?!
 
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blueskynwater said:
This is my follow-up on my 2019 Ody Elite that died yesterday. I put a battery tender on it all night. It still would not start in the morning. My jump pack is pretty small. I called honda owners.com and they verified my van was still in warranty. They said to call roadside assistance. I did and they sent out AAA to put a big jump pack (3000 A ) on my engine. And also a test module that said the battery was bad. Once the engine started the AAA guy said to drive it straight to honda and he turned off the engine stop feature so it would keep the engine running. At the dealer which is around 10 miles away, they tested the battery and said there is nothing wrong with it and the cold cranking test was exceptionally high for the miles on the engine, 26,000. I talked to the service manager and he went and took a look at the van, He said they cannot find anything wrong. Personally, I think there is a gigantic bug in the software and they are just covering it up until the factory can fix it. I am planning to buy a big jump pack because I make a lot of trips cross country and can't be sitting around for hours waiting in the sun and heat for roadside assistance to show up. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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Also, buy a battery load tester. They're like $30-40 on Amazon and will tell you if the battery is actually bad or not since your dealer is obviously not giving you the full truth.
 
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