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I back once again to sing the praises of the platforms. If you do any hauling at all, you really should build some. As a reminder, I have 3:

  • A large platform for the rear that stays in the van 100% of the time
  • A 2/3 width for the middle row, behind the driver's seat, that recently has stayed in 100% of the time. (It's just SWMBO and me at home)
  • A full width platform for the middle seats for hauling more stuff, like I'm doing this weekend.

I'm loading up for a trip to my daughter's house (200 miles away) where I'll be hanging two 36" x 48" mirrors for an exercise room in her basement. The green and white flat boxes peeking out on the right are those mirrors. They are sitting flat on the platform, fully supported. There are two long pieces of plywood on top to protect them from my tools, building materials and other items.

When you start with a perfectly flat interior, loading is a breeze. They still make me smile every time I use them. :)

I'm only about half loaded here, but you get the point. Everything is nice and level.

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Discussion starter · #44 ·
Fantastic job, you need to patent it before Weather Tech steals your plans and starts selling the platforms for $500 a piece!
Thanks, but all credit goes to Raptor88 whose post inspired me to build my own.

That said, I'll build you a set for $400. Shipping not included. :)
 
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I have removed the 3rd row seats in my 2016 TE and am working on a platform to cover that area, with a pair of hinged flip up doors to access the storage area Ive created underneath. Ive got two 280ah lifepo4 batteries going in there, and a 2000 watt pure sine generator. The platform is cut and in place, the doors cut out and now mounted with hinges. Its just supported by a storage tub underneath.
Since I want unquestionable strength to this Ive got some rectangular box tubing Im going to make side to side and front to rear reinforcements as well as the support brackets on sides and front.
I bought the weathertech rear cargo mat to cover it all up but I might paint it too for durability.
I will post up pics as I get closer to finishing.
I will say that removing both the 2nd and third rows shed about 320 lbs from the van. If you dont put anything else into it it feels downright fast.
 
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Ive got two 280ah lifepo4 batteries going in there, and a 2000 watt pure sine generator.
How hot will the batteries get while charging? Is it OK for them to be enclosed?
 
I will say that removing both the 2nd and third rows shed about 320 lbs from the van. If you dont put anything else into it it feels downright fast.
That's about the same as adding ~20hp to the van, so yeah. I normally have the opposite problem. I always drive the van when it is full of people and stuff and wonder why it is so slow. :ROFLMAO:

-Charlie
 
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Apologies for bumping this old thread, but I wasn't sure if creating a new thread would work, considering I'm wanting a response from the OP/Author. I'm in the market of buying a new Minivan and I'm a wheelchair user. My previous van was modified for a wheelchair user, but I got in an accident recently and was deemed a total loss. I use to climb in through the passenger door, then throw my wheelchair into the middle.

I'm looking to buy an Odyssey and essentially do the same thing in terms of getting in and out of my vehicle.

What I want, is to basically cover up the middle section, all the way to the back seats. I want to leave the backseats up, though. So the middle piece you built, would have to extend back a little further. I'd like to also ensure that it would support humans standing on it, as well.

I'm a new forum user and I'm not able to send messages yet.

I'd read on this thread that you were willing to build something for someone. Would you still be willing to do so?
 
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@DerbyDad03

Apologies for bumping this old thread, but I wasn't sure if creating a new thread would work, considering I'm wanting a response from the OP/Author. I'm in the market of buying a new Minivan and I'm a wheelchair user. My previous van was modified for a wheelchair user, but I got in an accident recently and was deemed a total loss. I use to climb in through the passenger door, then throw my wheelchair into the middle.

I'm looking to buy an Odyssey and essentially do the same thing in terms of getting in and out of my vehicle.

What I want, is to basically cover up the middle section, all the way to the back seats. I want to leave the backseats up, though. So the middle piece you built, would have to extend back a little further. I'd like to also ensure that it would support humans standing on it, as well.

I'm a new forum user and I'm not able to send messages yet.

I'd read on this thread that you were willing to build something for someone. Would you still be willing to do so?
Let me start by saying that don't recall saying that I would be willing to build platforms for other Odyssey owners. If I gave anyone that impression, I apologize.

As far as building the middle platform to be the size and strength you mentioned, I see no reason why it couldn't be done. It's just 3/4" plywood and 2 x 4's. With enough 2 x 4 "joists" under the plywood, the vehicle would probably give out before the platform would. :)

What kind of van did you have before the accident? (Sorry to hear about that.) Since I do not know your abilities, I don't know how well an Odyssey would work for your needs. Please don't read that to mean that I don't think it would work. I'm simply saying that I have no idea if your previous entry process will work with a different vehicle, any different vehicle. Hopefully you've looked into that situation and found that the Odyssey will work, platform not withstanding.

If I had one concern, it would be the issue of passengers getting to the back seat due to the interior height once the platform is installed - assuming it was built similar to mine. In order to make the platform level from the back of the van all the way to back of the front seats, I had to raise the platform 5" off the floor directly behind the seats. Since you would be starting the platform a little closer to the front, maybe it wouldn't need to raised 5", but it will need to be raised somewhat in order to stay level. That may make it difficult for passengers to climb up into the van and then up onto the platform and work their way to back. Might be a tight fit. I'm short and I have to crawl around in the vehicle with the platforms in.

One thing I can say for sure is that I used the wrong carpet. Things slide around too easily. Coolers, cardboard boxes, toolboxes, etc. can slide side to side and front to back if you drive aggressively or get into an emergency situation. It's possible that your wheel chair is "rough" enough due to it's shape, wheel, etc. that it won't slide, but it's something to keep in mind. I keep moving HF blankets in my van and spread them out when I'm hauling anything that I think (know) will slide. They work great.

Anyway, maybe with some more details related to your previous set up and which generation of Ody you are looking at, I could offer some more advice.
 
Let me start by saying that don't recall saying that I would be willing to build platforms for other Odyssey owners. If I gave anyone that impression, I apologize.

See post #44. You're on the hook now.
 
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Let me start by saying that don't recall saying that I would be willing to build platforms for other Odyssey owners. If I gave anyone that impression, I apologize.

As far as building the middle platform to be the size and strength you mentioned, I see no reason why it couldn't be done. It's just 3/4" plywood and 2 x 4's. With enough 2 x 4 "joists" under the plywood, the vehicle would probably give out before the platform would. :)

What kind of van did you have before the accident? (Sorry to hear about that.) Since I do not know your abilities, I don't know how well an Odyssey would work for your needs. Please don't read that to mean that I don't think it would work. I'm simply saying that I have no idea if your previous entry process will work with a different vehicle, any different vehicle. Hopefully you've looked into that situation and found that the Odyssey will work, platform not withstanding.

If I had one concern, it would be the issue of passengers getting to the back seat due to the interior height once the platform is installed - assuming it was built similar to mine. In order to make the platform level from the back of the van all the way to back of the front seats, I had to raise the platform 5" off the floor directly behind the seats. Since you would be starting the platform a little closer to the front, maybe it wouldn't need to raised 5", but it will need to be raised somewhat in order to stay level. That may make it difficult for passengers to climb up into the van and then up onto the platform and work their way to back. Might be a tight fit. I'm short and I have to crawl around in the vehicle with the platforms in.

One thing I can say for sure is that I used the wrong carpet. Things slide around too easily. Coolers, cardboard boxes, toolboxes, etc. can slide side to side and front to back if you drive aggressively or get into an emergency situation. It's possible that your wheel chair is "rough" enough due to it's shape, wheel, etc. that it won't slide, but it's something to keep in mind. I keep moving HF blankets in my van and spread them out when I'm hauling anything that I think (know) will slide. They work great.

Anyway, maybe with some more details related to your previous set up and which generation of Ody you are looking at, I could offer some more advice.
I apologize, I thought it was you that said something about doing it for $400 plus shipping to someone.

My disability as far as that's concerned, I can hold myself on the frame of the van for a few seconds, tip my wheelchair up, lift it up and slide it in, easily. Of course my old Sienna was easier because it was lower to the ground, but this isn't too important. I'm actually partially thankful to get rid of that thing, as it would scrape on the ground a lot due to the alterations and it being lower to the ground. The middle floor was flat, in fact, level with the sliding door bottoms.

I rarely have passengers, so that's not an issue. Either the floor could extend just up to the 3rd row seat or just a foot before it with a lip that would stick up to prevent my wheelchair from rolling off of it, should my wheelchair brakes fail.

I know it's expensive, but had you ever thought of using Carbon Fiber instead of wood? Is it possible to build such a structure out of carbon fiber?

I'm looking at the 2024 Honda Odyssey, I'm not sure which one, yet. In fact, I was even looking at the Chrysler Pacifica, not the Hybrid, but the regular, because all middle and back seats are "Stow & Go". I wish the Odyssey had that, since Honda is generally better from what I understand.
 
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DerbyDad03 said:
Let me start by saying that don't recall saying that I would be willing to build platforms for other Odyssey owners. If I gave anyone that impression, I apologize.

See post #44. You're on the hook now.
Please choose from one of the following options:

Excuse #1: I hate the internet. :sneaky: I guess the smiley face at the end of that post didn't convey the message I meant it to.

Excuse #2: That offer was meant for "EOT 4 Life" only and has now expired. Sorry, you had your chance. :ROFLMAO:

(I got enough projects going on at home that if I started building stuff for other people SWMBO would have a fit. The half-built kitchen is beginning to annoy her.)
 
I'm looking at the 2024 Honda Odyssey, I'm not sure which one, yet.
The '18+ Odysseys have a MUCH different 2nd row arraignment - even when the second row is removed, there is a large base still left in the van. Much worse from a cargo/utility perspective.

The two guys I've known personally in wheel chairs were both very capable/strong other than being paraplegic. Both used low/narrow/light chairs that they could throw around easily when getting into their mostly unmodified (other than temp hand control) vehicles... so I can't help much otherwise with suggestions.

-Charlie
 
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I apologize, I thought it was you that said something about doing it for $400 plus shipping to someone.
That was a joke.

My disability as far as that's concerned, I can hold myself on the frame of the van for a few seconds, tip my wheelchair up, lift it up and slide it in, easily. Of course my old Sienna was easier because it was lower to the ground, but this isn't too important. I'm actually partially thankful to get rid of that thing, as it would scrape on the ground a lot due to the alterations and it being lower to the ground. The middle floor was flat, in fact, level with the sliding door bottoms.
Any platform would obviously be higher than the floor. If I remember correctly, the bases for the middle row seats of a 2024 Ody remain in the vehicle when the seats are removed. How that would affect the platform height, I can't say. Maybe they can be removed with some tools.

I rarely have passengers, so that's not an issue. Either the floor could extend just up to the 3rd row seat or just a foot before it with a lip that would stick up to prevent my wheelchair from rolling off of it, should my wheelchair brakes fail.
Seems like that could be done, although the momentum of the rolling wheel chair may require a fairly high lip to prevent it from jumping the lip/falling over once it gets going. You'd obviously know more about that than me.

I know it's expensive, but had you ever thought of using Carbon Fiber instead of wood? Is it possible to build such a structure out of carbon fiber?
Do you mean make the entire platform out of carbon fiber? I assume (I know - dangerous) that it could be done, but to what end? Are you trying to save weight?

I used 3/4 plywood. I wouldn't imagine that you'd save much height going with CF, either solid CF or a laminated product. While much stronger than wood, you still need some structure and 3/4" doesn't give you much room to play with/reduce.

I can work wood with the tools I have and clean-up doesn't take much more than a leaf blower. Seem like cutting CF to size would be a major PITA. Have you ever cut fiberglass or perhaps vinyl? What a mess, especially once static electricity joins the party. CF would be even worse and more dangerous as far a splinters, rough edges, etc. No thanks.

I'm looking at the 2024 Honda Odyssey, I'm not sure which one, yet. In fact, I was even looking at the Chrysler Pacifica, not the Hybrid, but the regular, because all middle and back seats are "Stow & Go". I wish the Odyssey had that, since Honda is generally better from what I understand.
The rear bench of the Ody is Stow & Go. You said that your Sienna "would scrape on the ground a lot due to the alterations and it being lower to the ground." Would the same alterations need to be done to the Ody? Have you compared the ground clearance of the Ody to the Sienna? I know that the Gen 4 is much lower than the Gen 3, but I don't know about the Gen 5.

Have you looked into any of the vehicles offered by MobilityWorks or BraunAbilty? We bought used (pre-modified) Dodge Caravan when my Mom was in a wheel chair. I understand that the Dodge Caravan is one of the most popular choices for mobility conversions. At least they were at the time we were shopping. I asked about having my Gen 3 Ody converted and a BraunAbility rep told me that they are very hard to lower. Something about the way the Dodges are built makes it easy for both side and rear entry configurations.
 
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I want to share some pictures and descriptions of the platforms that I built for my 17 EX-L. I've also including some learnings that I hope will help anyone that wants to level the back of their Ody in a similar manner. (Thanks go to member Raptor88 for his inspiration.)

As many of us know, the floor of the Odyssey has gotten more and more bumpy and uneven with each generation. My 2nd and 3rd generation Ody's were tolerable, but I had to do something about the 17. The hump from 3rd row bench hinges, the valley across the middle, the 2nd row latch bars, etc. I carry more stuff than people so the cargo capabilities are my #1 priority. No, make that #2. Keeping the Ody clean is #1, so the platforms have now replaced the custom sized moving blankets that I've been using for years.

As a reminder, this is what we're dealing with:

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Here's how I solved the problem.

The rear platform will stay in my Ody 99.99% of the time. I can't recall the last time I needed the 3rd row seats. That said, the platform is very easy to remove. With 2 people it's a breeze, but I can do it by myself if need be.

The dimensions of the rear platform are 47" x 58" x 1/2". That leaves room for carpeting and a small gap on each side for whatever choice of side wall protection you want to use. I saved the long sides of the box that my hitch came in, but I also have a bunch of rubber anti-fatigue pads. Either one will slip between the platform and the side walls as shown below. I use side wall protection on an as needed basis.

The platform lies directly on the back of the 3rd row seats at the rear and is supported by a 2 x 4 across the front. The 2 x 4 adds just enough height to prevent the platform from rocking on the 3rd row hinge hump. The rear corners of the platform are rounded to match the curve at the rear of the cargo area.

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I cut an opening at the front of the platform for the rear heat duct.

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The 2nd row platform is 56" x 33" x 1/2". This platform will live in the garage and be installed as needed.

The 2nd row platform is supported by a 2 x 4 at the rear and a 2 x 4 plus a 2 x 2 at the front. To be clear, that's 3.5 inches at the rear and 5" at the front. That keeps the platforms level with each other from front to rear.

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Some additional notes on the project:

- I used one 4 x 8 sheet of 1/2" MDO plywood. In these crazy times, the smooth, flat, thicker MDO was actually cheaper than the crappy, warped 1/2" sheathing plywood. For the 2nd row platform, I needed to add an 8" x 33" piece of 1/2" sheathing that I had lying around in order to get the full 56" width. I supported the underside of the seam between the 2 pieces of plywood with a 1x3 to prevent any sagging if I knelt right at the seam.

For posterity purposes, should someone come across this thread a few years from now when - hopefully - lumber prices have come back down, I paid $74 for the MDO plywood. The warped 1/2" sheathing was $79.

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2 - The stiffness of the carpeting made it a little difficult to wrap the ends of the 2 x4's as flat as I wanted. The type of carpet I used unravels at the edges so it had to be folded under and then stapled. That leaves a bump at the folds. On the flip side, I only paid $15 for a 6' x 12' piece, so I'm OK with how the corners came out. I rounded over the edges of the plywood and the ends of the 2 x 4's, but once I started the carpeting, I wondered if it really mattered. With thinner carpet, I imagine that it would help.

The cuts and the folds for the corners were an adventure.

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BTW...Things slide on the carpet, at least with the carpet that I used. This makes loading easy, but hard braking can send stuff sliding. Load your Ody with that in mind.

All in all, I'm pleased with the way it came out. Crawling around on my knees is almost a pleasure compared to how it was before. Yes, I've lost some interior height, but I don't see that being an issue for me. If it ever is, I'll just take the platforms out and revert to the moving blankets.

Any comments, pro and con, are welcome.

EDIT 8/31/2021: Even though there are no additional pictures (yet) I have since built a 3rd platform for use when I want to have one 2nd row seat in the Ody. It's basically just a 31" version of the full 56" 2nd row platform. It covers the 2nd row floor from the door to the side of
I back once again to sing the praises of the platforms. If you do any hauling at all, you really should build some. As a reminder, I have 3:

  • A large platform for the rear that stays in the van 100% of the time
  • A 2/3 width for the middle row, behind the driver's seat, that recently has stayed in 100% of the time. (It's just SWMBO and me at home)
  • A full width platform for the middle seats for hauling more stuff, like I'm doing this weekend.

I'm loading up for a trip to my daughter's house (200 miles away) where I'll be hanging two 36" x 48" mirrors for an exercise room in her basement. The green and white flat boxes peeking out on the right are those mirrors. They are sitting flat on the platform, fully supported. There are two long pieces of plywood on top to protect them from my tools, building materials and other items.

When you start with a perfectly flat interior, loading is a breeze. They still make me smile every time I use them. :)

I'm only about half loaded here, but you get the point. Everything is nice and level.

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I want to share some pictures and descriptions of the platforms that I built for my 17 EX-L. I've also including some learnings that I hope will help anyone that wants to level the back of their Ody in a similar manner. (Thanks go to member Raptor88 for his inspiration.)

As many of us know, the floor of the Odyssey has gotten more and more bumpy and uneven with each generation. My 2nd and 3rd generation Ody's were tolerable, but I had to do something about the 17. The hump from 3rd row bench hinges, the valley across the middle, the 2nd row latch bars, etc. I carry more stuff than people so the cargo capabilities are my #1 priority. No, make that #2. Keeping the Ody clean is #1, so the platforms have now replaced the custom sized moving blankets that I've been using for years.

As a reminder, this is what we're dealing with:

Image



Here's how I solved the problem.

The rear platform will stay in my Ody 99.99% of the time. I can't recall the last time I needed the 3rd row seats. That said, the platform is very easy to remove. With 2 people it's a breeze, but I can do it by myself if need be.

The dimensions of the rear platform are 47" x 58" x 1/2". That leaves room for carpeting and a small gap on each side for whatever choice of side wall protection you want to use. I saved the long sides of the box that my hitch came in, but I also have a bunch of rubber anti-fatigue pads. Either one will slip between the platform and the side walls as shown below. I use side wall protection on an as needed basis.

The platform lies directly on the back of the 3rd row seats at the rear and is supported by a 2 x 4 across the front. The 2 x 4 adds just enough height to prevent the platform from rocking on the 3rd row hinge hump. The rear corners of the platform are rounded to match the curve at the rear of the cargo area.

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I cut an opening at the front of the platform for the rear heat duct.

Image


The 2nd row platform is 56" x 33" x 1/2". This platform will live in the garage and be installed as needed.

The 2nd row platform is supported by a 2 x 4 at the rear and a 2 x 4 plus a 2 x 2 at the front. To be clear, that's 3.5 inches at the rear and 5" at the front. That keeps the platforms level with each other from front to rear.

Image


Image


Some additional notes on the project:

- I used one 4 x 8 sheet of 1/2" MDO plywood. In these crazy times, the smooth, flat, thicker MDO was actually cheaper than the crappy, warped 1/2" sheathing plywood. For the 2nd row platform, I needed to add an 8" x 33" piece of 1/2" sheathing that I had lying around in order to get the full 56" width. I supported the underside of the seam between the 2 pieces of plywood with a 1x3 to prevent any sagging if I knelt right at the seam.

For posterity purposes, should someone come across this thread a few years from now when - hopefully - lumber prices have come back down, I paid $74 for the MDO plywood. The warped 1/2" sheathing was $79.

Image


2 - The stiffness of the carpeting made it a little difficult to wrap the ends of the 2 x4's as flat as I wanted. The type of carpet I used unravels at the edges so it had to be folded under and then stapled. That leaves a bump at the folds. On the flip side, I only paid $15 for a 6' x 12' piece, so I'm OK with how the corners came out. I rounded over the edges of the plywood and the ends of the 2 x 4's, but once I started the carpeting, I wondered if it really mattered. With thinner carpet, I imagine that it would help.

The cuts and the folds for the corners were an adventure.

Image


Image



BTW...Things slide on the carpet, at least with the carpet that I used. This makes loading easy, but hard braking can send stuff sliding. Load your Ody with that in mind.

All in all, I'm pleased with the way it came out. Crawling around on my knees is almost a pleasure compared to how it was before. Yes, I've lost some interior height, but I don't see that being an issue for me. If it ever is, I'll just take the platforms out and revert to the moving blankets.

Any comments, pro and con, are welcome.

EDIT 8/31/2021: Even though there are no additional pictures (yet) I have since built a 3rd platform for use when I want to have one 2nd row seat in the Ody. It's basically just a 31" version of the full 56" 2nd row platform. It covers the 2nd row floor from the door to the side of the single 2nd row seat.
This is an incredibly valuable post. Thank you, I am going to do the same.
 
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