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i would have to assume that if we don't hear anything in the next couple weeks that there are no updates to the 2024 model, correct?

i mean i have to assume some leaks or SOMETHING would have come out by now.
 
i would have to assume that if we don't hear anything in the next couple weeks that there are no updates to the 2024 model, correct?

i mean i have to assume some leaks or SOMETHING would have come out by now.
I still haven't seen any internal dealer news regarding updates or changes for the 2024 Odyssey. Considering 2018 was the launch of the 5th gen, and that most of the vans through all the generations got ~ 6 years per generation, we may not see a revamped van until 2025, unless Honda got real good at keeping secrets.
 
The 4th gen broke from the cycle and did 4 years post refresh while the prior 2 generations only did 3.

i don't think we'll see a redesign this year, but who knows.

After all, the redesigned Pilot was not announced until December 2022 and launched early 2023. Maybe they're working under a similar timeline.
 
The 4th gen broke from the cycle and did 4 years post refresh while the prior 2 generations only did 3.

i don't think we'll see a redesign this year, but who knows.

After all, the redesigned Pilot was not announced until December 2022 and launched early 2023. Maybe they're working under a similar timeline.
We'll see. I'm hesitant about this new DOHC V6 they are trying out. Weird stuff all over it. Twin independent cam timing similar to Ford. Hydraulic tappets, no more valve adjustments. The same crap direct injection. External EGR eliminated. Valve covers are part of the cylinder head, they have cam journals in the upper head cover and are not serviceable, you get them with a new cylinder head. 10 speed auto with basically no serviceable internal components. Transfer case is the same way. My diagrams are very bare for those, they seem to intend complete unit replacement instead of rebuilds.

Just ... Doesn't look like a Honda at all. I saw the diagrams when the posted and I actually laughed and said if I didn't see the Honda logos I thought this looked more like a Ford V6 than anything.
 
We'll see. I'm hesitant about this new DOHC V6 they are trying out. Weird stuff all over it. Twin independent cam timing similar to Ford. Hydraulic tappets, no more valve adjustments. The same crap direct injection. External EGR eliminated. Valve covers are part of the cylinder head, they have cam journals in the upper head cover and are not serviceable, you get them with a new cylinder head. 10 speed auto with basically no serviceable internal components. Transfer case is the same way. My diagrams are very bare for those, they seem to intend complete unit replacement instead of rebuilds.

Just ... Doesn't look like a Honda at all. I saw the diagrams when the posted and I actually laughed and said if I didn't see the Honda logos I thought this looked more like a Ford V6 than anything.
I guess we have to compromise somewhere. They've already been neutering the V6 for years to squeeze out every last MPG, what's one step further? Better than them switching to a junk turbo 4 setup.

I'm at least glad they haven't switched to a timing chain yet.
 
You never know but the longer no news comes out, I agree 2024 is likely status quo. This generation is long in the tooth, but at least it’s not in 4Runner territory yet!
 
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Why are you glad they aren’t using a timing chain?
Because unlike most people I'm not of the blind belief that chains are inherently superior. Both have their advantages and disadvantages depending on your situation.

After owning vehicles with both, I prefer a belt because I can trust the timing system to last pretty much indefinitely with regular service. I can pay $800-1000 every 100k and my timing system will go on and on forever (as proven by TX Accord's million mile original J30 engine).

With a timing chain, maybe I don't have to pay that amount every 100k, but timing chains do still wear out and have their vulnerabilities (low/dirty oil is a big one), and when that happens, it will end up being more expensive to replace. I much prefer the known quantity.

 
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Chains are 'stronger' in basically every sense over a belt. At the same time if the owner keeps up on maintenance and has that timing belt and related components done as recommended, you're into the front of that engine more on a belt driven motor than a chain motor. I'd imagine that leads to catching leaks or other problem components sooner. I don't know about cheaper for labor time in and out for belt vs chain but the way the J series are put together, Honda makes the process pretty damn easy.
 
Back to the OT; I posted a spreadsheet paste with predicted year of refresh. Guessing 18 months after Accord. Honda dragging out the replacements. And the new DOHC engine worries me, yet I never do any car service / maint myself.
 
I still haven't seen any internal dealer news regarding updates or changes for the 2024 Odyssey. Considering 2018 was the launch of the 5th gen, and that most of the vans through all the generations got ~ 6 years per generation, we may not see a revamped van until 2025, unless Honda got real good at keeping secrets.
FWIW, I saw someone else who works at Honda say that they're starting to see 2024s in the system (they called it "apex"), and they're showing with the exact same trim packages and color options as the 2023s. So that would seem to indicate that 2024 will also be 5th gen (and I would assume an early fall launch like usual), and 2025 model year is likely when we'll see the 6th gen debut.
 
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Sounds about right. I had a conversation with a coworker about this, and when I look at the lineup now, here's what I see:

The new generation Honda Pilot is MASSIVE. It can seat 7 when configured, it can be AWD, similar payload and towing compared to a van... This is a wild take and I have no proof to suggest this but Honda could end the Odyssey at some point in the future when all we see now are SUVs and hatchbacks and use the Pilot as the newer, more overall capable family mover.

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see it happen but it's not unprecedented. Ford killed its small car segment in favor of trucks, SUVs and crossovers. It murdered its minivan segment long ago in favor of the Transit Euro-van line.
 
Sounds about right. I had a conversation with a coworker about this, and when I look at the lineup now, here's what I see:

The new generation Honda Pilot is MASSIVE. It can seat 7 when configured, it can be AWD, similar payload and towing compared to a van... This is a wild take and I have no proof to suggest this but Honda could end the Odyssey at some point in the future when all we see now are SUVs and hatchbacks and use the Pilot as the newer, more overall capable family mover.

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see it happen but it's not unprecedented. Ford killed its small car segment in favor of trucks, SUVs and crossovers. It murdered its minivan segment long ago in favor of the Transit Euro-van line.
Now there's an interesting idea. I personally don't see it happening. The Odyssey in my eyes still has a market (just because you can technically seat 7 doesn't mean you'll be just as comfortable as another 7 seater). Who's to say a 6th gen Odyssey wouldn't be bigger as well?
 
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I dunno. Based anecdotally there’s still a very healthy market for the Odyssey. I see them everywhere.

Okay waiting for 2025 but I hope people buying 2024’s are getting good deals.
 
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Looks like there may have been some spy shots?

If true, it looks like the rumor of a second refresh may be true. I don't know that I've ever seen Honda refresh a generation twice, but here we are I guess. It also would be weird for them to refresh a generation and then only sell it for one model year.

The front end and rear bumper are both disguised, which would seemingly indicate those are the areas that will be changed.
 
Wow interesting. I guess Honda is happy with how the current generation is selling despite the Sienna and Carnival being newer.

If it’s just cosmetic I’ll hang tight but if they offer surround cameras etc and upgraded interior that’s a different story. I can’t imagine they would go through all that for just one year.
 
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