I have a 2019 EX-L and have had many recalls over the years and what I think is a hard shifting transmission. (Dealer says it doesn’t qualify as hard enough for the 19-124 recall). I have 58k miles on it and I’m being offered $21.5k cash to buy it back. Obviously this is just seeking your opinion, but I’m curious if you would sell it and buy a Sienna before it hits the 60k powertrain warranty limit. What are the odds I have major transmission issues over the next 60k miles? One of the reasons I’m looking at the Sienna is that there’s NO standard maintenance until 130k miles. Unlike the Odyssey which has required scheduled brake fluid changes, transmission fluid changes, and a multitide of recalls I feel like I’ve been in the shop multiple times a year on a brand new car.
broomfielder
Sounds like a nice scam to get you in. Sorry, but every vehicle has maintenance needs, and certainly before 130k. Brake fluid is independent of mileage and needs to be changed every 3 years.
Have you tried just disconnecting the battery for a few minutes and reconnecting it? That can often calm down problematic ZF9 transmissions, as it resets all the learned programming.
Umm, oil changes? Those are certainly standard maintenance. Along with tires, brakes, fluid checks (power steering, transmission). Don't fool yourself into thinking it won't need anything until 130k.
Ok I misspoke. Yes it calls for oil changes and checking fluids. Obviously it will need a battery, tires, brakes. But it DOESNT call for brake fluid and transmission fluid changes on a schedule. I should have said Scheduled Maintenance.
WiiMaster, how long is a few minutes? Is 1 enough or does it need to be 10? (Also, I think it’s ridiculous that a battery needs to be disconnected to “fix” a transmission issue as if that’s normal. I’ve never had a car that required this and I feel like we’ve gotten used to making excuses for bad design.)
WiiMaster, how long is a few minutes? Is 1 enough or does it need to be 10? (Also, I think it’s ridiculous that a battery needs to be disconnected to “fix” a transmission issue as if that’s normal. I’ve never had a car that required this and I feel like we’ve gotten used to making excuses for bad design.)
And this is a good thing how exactly?
Lifetime transmission fluid isn't exactly setting up your transmission for a very long lifetime...
And never changing brake fluid is how you end up with corrosion in the brake system down the line.
The choice is yours, it's really just more problems disguised as less maintenance.
@broomfielder
Disconnecting the battery is probably the only way you want to afford to reset and start the tranny and engine relearn process. If you want Honda to do it, take it in. They will charge you for it. Please take the time and read (search for 9-speed) and learn what others have found out. Reading is cheap, patience is a virtue, intelligence is when you gathered this information by your-self. Asking a opinion of time the battery is left unhooked is your preference, 1 minute to 1 day when troubleshooting.
Disconnecting the battery is probably the only way you want to afford to reset and start the tranny and engine relearn process. If you want Honda to do it, take it in. They will charge you for it. Please take the time and read (search for 9-speed) and learn what others have found out. Reading is cheap, patience is a virtue, intelligence is when you gathered this information by your-self. Asking a opinion of time the battery is left unhooked is your preference, 1 minute to 1 day when troubleshooting.
Alternatively, you can follow this the below steps to reset the transmission learning.
- With the foot off the brake pedal, push the START/STOP button twice until ignition on (but engine off). Turn off the lights and radio.
- Within 5 seconds, press the gas pedal all the way to the floor, and keep it pressed for 15 to 30 seconds until the CEL turns off.
- The transmission has now been reset.
- Press START/STOP button to turn the car off, then start normally with brake pedal pressed.
- Transmission learning happens over the next 500+ miles or so of driving.
If it makes you feel comfortable getting the Toyota, go for it. I have an 02 Tuntra since new, and love it, was considering a Sienna before we purchased our 19 Odyssey, so far it‘s been great, currently at 61k.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Oh yeah, we’re considering a 24 hybrid CR-V, have to read up on it some…..
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Oh yeah, we’re considering a 24 hybrid CR-V, have to read up on it some…..
Adding to the scheduled maintenance discussion, I’ve said for a long time that you should maintain a car according to how long you plan to keep it. Trading in less than 10 years and 150K miles? Then follow the factory minimums. My ‘07 Ody has 284K on it and according to many I have over-serviced it and wasted my money, yet here I am with a smooth shifting, adding no oil between 5K changes, and (knock on wood) never left me sit broken down once. Just got lucky or well cared for? I’d say some of both, but funny how your odds of getting lucky go up with proper preparation and that’s a general life principle.
21.5k seems good for year and mileage? Assuming you paid say $36k out the door on a $38.5k vehicle that works out to $300 a month depreciation if you guess 4 years.
Since the 2019s came out in 2018 it may be even less, or if you got a better deal.
If the depreciation is that low you’ve done well in my book and it would be reasonable to move on.
Since the 2019s came out in 2018 it may be even less, or if you got a better deal.
If the depreciation is that low you’ve done well in my book and it would be reasonable to move on.
@broomfielder You need to step back and look at the big picture. The transmission woes do not affect 100% of the 2019 MY Odysseys. If your Odyssey is driving fine and your family is comfortable with the ride and amenities, it seems silly to cash out your 2019 and buy a new Sienna. You already have taken a large depreciation for your Odyssey. Your Sienna will likewise depreciate in value (especially the first 3 or so years of ownership). The maximum amount of money that you'd have to pay for maintenance or even the dreaded transmission overhaul/replacement will be far less than the depreciation that you'd suffer in the first few months of new vehicle ownership.
Toyota apparently offers 2 years of "free maintenance and service". This is done to restore faithfulness in the Toyota brand after the random uncontrollable acceleration that affected some Priuses and Camrys around the late 2000s. They did not offer any credit incentives to Prius and Camry owners to make up for the accelerated depreciation of the vehicles that went through the safety recall. That is one of the many reasons I will never buy another Toyota. Also the costs of the incredibly generous "free maintenance and service" has been rolled into the invoice price of all of the Toyotas, so "free" really means "Included in the purchase price." After 2 years/25,000 miles you are on your own. Oh, during that time period maintenance is basically oil changes and multipoint inspection, and a few tire rotations.
We bought the first year 2nd generation Odyssey (1999) and had absolutely no transmission problems--we sold it when it had over 230K miles. Our nextdoor neighbor had a 2000, and had to get the transmission replaced twice (Honda paid for the first one). Our 2006 EX-L (not muzzled) made it to around 235K without any VCM related problems--it just didn't like getting sandwiched between a cargo van and a pickup truck.
Our current 2015 EXL was purchased with 45K and is muzzled and the odometer just rolled past 100K.
I think your 2019 still has a lot of life left on it. Yes it doesn't have the bells and whistles that the new Odysseys or Siennas do. The depreciation slope of your 2019 is much flatter than the almost vertical slope of a new vehicle.
If it were up to me I'd rather spend less cash on service/maintenance items than lose more money on depreciation. I admit that I tend to be on the thrifty side, you may not. Yes time is money, but money is actually real money.
Toyota apparently offers 2 years of "free maintenance and service". This is done to restore faithfulness in the Toyota brand after the random uncontrollable acceleration that affected some Priuses and Camrys around the late 2000s. They did not offer any credit incentives to Prius and Camry owners to make up for the accelerated depreciation of the vehicles that went through the safety recall. That is one of the many reasons I will never buy another Toyota. Also the costs of the incredibly generous "free maintenance and service" has been rolled into the invoice price of all of the Toyotas, so "free" really means "Included in the purchase price." After 2 years/25,000 miles you are on your own. Oh, during that time period maintenance is basically oil changes and multipoint inspection, and a few tire rotations.
We bought the first year 2nd generation Odyssey (1999) and had absolutely no transmission problems--we sold it when it had over 230K miles. Our nextdoor neighbor had a 2000, and had to get the transmission replaced twice (Honda paid for the first one). Our 2006 EX-L (not muzzled) made it to around 235K without any VCM related problems--it just didn't like getting sandwiched between a cargo van and a pickup truck.
Our current 2015 EXL was purchased with 45K and is muzzled and the odometer just rolled past 100K.
I think your 2019 still has a lot of life left on it. Yes it doesn't have the bells and whistles that the new Odysseys or Siennas do. The depreciation slope of your 2019 is much flatter than the almost vertical slope of a new vehicle.
If it were up to me I'd rather spend less cash on service/maintenance items than lose more money on depreciation. I admit that I tend to be on the thrifty side, you may not. Yes time is money, but money is actually real money.
Sienna maintenance: https://www.toyota.com/content/dam/toyota/brochures/pdf/2023/T-MMS-23SiennaHV.pdf
Coolant change at 100k, spark plugs at 120k, and then standard oil changes. It uses DOT3/DOT4 brake fluid, so it will need to be replaced every few years since it is hygroscopic, like other cars. It's not explicitly stated in the service manual to change it, but it will need it nevertheless.
Coolant change at 100k, spark plugs at 120k, and then standard oil changes. It uses DOT3/DOT4 brake fluid, so it will need to be replaced every few years since it is hygroscopic, like other cars. It's not explicitly stated in the service manual to change it, but it will need it nevertheless.
'18 EX-L here with the ZF 9-Speed just shy of 160K miles (We take a lot of road trips). Other than the hard shifting from 0-20mph, zero issues. Flush/replaced transmission fluid every 30k miles.
$21k seems a little low. KBB says ~$24k. I personally would not sell if I were in your position. She's got a lot of life still in her
$21k seems a little low. KBB says ~$24k. I personally would not sell if I were in your position. She's got a lot of life still in her
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