fuel octane

Guest · May 2, 2002

Re: 2002 different octane requirements

jefft711 said:
...The sales man told me that they asked Honda if it was okay to use 85 instead of 86 and that Honday said that was fine. In fact, he was told that you should NOT use the premium gasoline because it burns hotter and is not good for this particular engine.

Looks like another clueless salesman giving false information to consumers:stupid: . I wouldn't believe everything your salesman tells yous

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FW_in_OKC · May 2, 2002

Re: 2002 different octane requirements

jefft711 said:
The salesman that helped us when we bought our van said something very puzzling about the octane requirements. I believe (don't have my manual in front of me) that the requirement for the 2002 is the same as before, "use 86 octane or better". Here in Salt Lake City, the regular unleaded octane is 85, medium grade is 87 and premium is 90 or 91, I think. The sales man told me that they asked Honda if it was okay to use 85 instead of 86 and that Honday said that was fine. In fact, he was told that you should NOT use the premium gasoline because it burns hotter and is not good for this particular engine.

This puzzled me. I am not octane scientist but I had never heard anything like that before. Does this make sense? Does the new engine in the 2002 have these peculiar requirements? I really haven't asked anybody else about it but I saw the thread and figured I'd post this question.

Thanks,
Jeff
'02 EX

The Octane number game is another ploy by the oil refineries to force the unsuspecting buyer into purchasing the mid-grade fuel instead of regular. Since most auto's on the marker that require regular fuel and quote the minmum octane as 86 in the owners manual, the refineries simply did the 85 octane thing to squeeze more money out of us. Plain and simple. It's nothing but corporate GREED.

Mowgli · May 2, 2002

Simple supply and demand???? Not. . .

The oil and gas (and refining) industry is one of the most highly-regulated industries in America. The problem the previous poster is referring to is not one of dishonesty by any particular industry but one of simple supply and demand - the more gasoline Americans want and the less supply of it there is to go around the higher the price will be to purchase it.

There was an article in Los Angeles Times (4/30/02) that an independent commision has reported that the California gas pricing is higher not just because of simple supply and demand situation. It was concluded that several gas companies actually sold their gasoline out of California at a loss so that less is available in California and hence creating the higher California gasoline cost. This apparently is possible due to the limited number of gasoline suppliers within the state of California.

FW_in_OKC · May 3, 2002

Re: Simple supply and demand???? Not. . .

Mowgli said:
There was an article in Los Angeles Times (4/30/02) that an independent commision has reported that the California gas pricing is higher not just because of simple supply and demand situation. It was concluded that several gas companies actually sold their gasoline out of California at a loss so that less is available in California and hence creating the higher California gasoline cost. This apparently is possible due to the limited number of gasoline suppliers within the state of California.

We're back to GREED again.

MikeH · May 3, 2002

Okay so all the gas companies want is our money and they will do anything they can to get us to buy high octane gas. But what about the 99-01 ody that needs high octain to get the full 210 hp? The gas must be good for something right?:dunno:

Mike:rockon:

FW_in_OKC · May 3, 2002

MikeH said:
Okay so all the gas companies want is our money and they will do anything they can to get us to buy high octane gas. But what about the 99-01 ody that needs high octain to get the full 210 hp? The gas must be good for something right?:dunno:

Mike:rockon:

I have a 99 Lincoln Continental that requires premium fuel. I think it calls for 91 octane. I don't get upset if all they have at the station is 90 octane.
What I was refering to were the vehicles, like the 02 Ody, that specifies 86 octane in the owners manual and I think also on the fuel cap. If the station has a choice of 85/88/90 octane grades, I will use the 85 octane and life goes on. The oil companies do the octane game to coax timid folks into spending extra bucks on the mid-grade fuel. I don't bite and I typically get 125K to 150K on my vehicles without major repairs. I also have yet to feel or observe any degredation in performance due to a 1 octane difference in the fuel.

GeoHawk · May 3, 2002

I remember about 15 years ago when mid-grade gas came out. It used to be that premium grade unleaded (91-92 ocatane in these parts) was about $0.10-0.15 more per gallon than regular (87 octane). When mid-grade (89 octane) came along, it was $0.10 more than regular and premium (still 91-92 octane) magically now was $0.25 more than regular.

The oil companies instantly got another $0.15 per gallon from their precious premium, and were getting the old premium price from something that was only 89 ocatane. And we bought it, at least a lot of people did because the Conoco station down the street from me now has 5 grades of gas (87, 88, 89, 91, and 93), with about 8 cents per gallon separating each grade.

What's that saying, "There's a sucker born every minute."

wjtruscott · Sep 28, 2021

fordsdad said:
what octane of fuel does everyone use? i use 91 octane from chevron or esso. i was under the impression that premium fuel was recommended however, i just read on the honda canada website that anything above 86 is ok. my understanding was a loss of 5hp and 12lb/ft of torque if anything other than premium fuel was used.

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In Iowa the state allows 88 octane to be a lower price to improve the ecology.

highvoltage · Sep 29, 2021

wjtruscott said:
In Iowa the state allows 88 octane to be a lower price to improve the ecology.

In case your weren't aware, this thread is over 20 years old and probably contains outdated information. Also, the person you're replying to hasn't been on the forum in almost 7 years.

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