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He's right. I forgot about that. I had to flash the firmware on my burner so it would support booktype. But that was early on. I did still have some problems where DVD's wouldn't be read or they may play but start getting choppy halfway through.
 
Compatibility is an important issue when it comes to DVD recording. Because there are three rivalling formats (DVD+RW, DVD-RW and DVD-RAM) not every DVD player is compatible with each disc. Even discs within each format do not always work on every player. In this article we will explain how to make some discs more compatible, why you need it and how it works.

Compatibility

In the past not every CD worked with every player and even nowadays people report that some bad discs do not work with every player (E.g. car audio players are known to be more picky). The DVD format didn't change the compatibility, it even made it worse. At the moment there are three different DVD recordable formats and all of them are different and require the DVD player to do different things. However the compatibility is still improved and the chance of a non working DVD recordable / DVD player combination is relatively small (think about 10-20%).

We will focus on DVD-R and DVD+RW as DVD-RAM is hardly used and uses a technique that is totally different from DVD-R and DVD+R. The DVD-R format is the oldest DVD recordable format and its original compatibility was good and is probably the best out of the box. Although the DVD-R format is marketed as the oldest and most compatible DVD recordable format, this isn't necessarily the case.

Difference between DVD-R and DVD+R

Physically there is a difference between a DVD-R disc and a DVD+R disc that is made during the production process. During the production of a DVD-R disc the lead-in is pre-embossed (pre-written). This overwrites parts of the DVD that contains information about the disc. E.g. the CSS key (part of the copy protection) is in this part on commercial movie discs (This is why you can’t make a 1:1 copy of a DVD). But in this space there is also room reserved for the so called ‘booktype’ field.

Changing the booktype field

This booktype field identifies the disc as either a DVD-ROM, DVD+R(W) or a DVD-R(W) disc and is for a big part responsible for the compatibility. Because this setting is overwritten during the DVD-R production process it can’t be modified afterwards, the laser of your DVD recorder simply can’t write to that part of the disc. During the production of DVD+R discs the space is untouched. Still CSS keys can’t be written to DVD+R discs because every DVD recorder and DVD player has a limit in its firmware to write or read to this space. However, there is no limit for writing the booktype field. Therefor a DVD+R(W) recorder will be able to modify this field by sending a command to the DVD recorder and fool the DVD player.

When the booktype field (bitsetting) is changed to DVD-ROM then DVD players are fooled and will think the user has put in a DVD-ROM disc instead of a DVD+R disc and will read it accordingly. This results in an increased chance that the player is able to read the disc and that’s why the ability to change the booktype field (bitsetting) is essential to a lot of users. Certainly owners of a DVD player that requires this field to be set to DVD-ROM, in order to work properly, will prefer a DVD recorder that supports setting the booktype field.

DVD-R bitsetting

Although you will understand that it’s not possible to change the booktype field for DVD-R discs there still excists a DVD-R bitsetting. Some claim that this increases the compatibility but this has not been independently confirmed by anyone and as it’s technically impossible to change the booktype field it will still be possible for the hardware to find out that a disc is a DVD-R. The booktype setting for DVD-R discs seems to be based on a workaround that has not been proven to be working.

According to Michael Spath who studies both the +R and -R format and is known as an expert on technical DVD recording issues; "the trick is based on the fact that some drives read the booktype from the last border-in and not from the lead-in. Therefore if you create a second session on the disc you will create after the first session a new border-in, where you should normally copy the informations from the lead-in (including
the book type). With this trick, you instead write a DVD-ROM booktype in this second session, which violates the - standard. Also drives which read the booktype from the lead-in will not be fooled by this method (eg. some Pioneer drives". An intresting discussion about this can be found here.

Tools

The booktype field can be modified by several applications. Best known is Nero which allows you to modify field the booktype field for several brands of DVD recorders. Companies such as Lite-On, BTC, NU-Tech, Ricoh and BenQ have released tools to modify the booktype field. Firmware hacks (E.g. NEC) also are able to set the default booktype to DVD-ROM. Other companies such as LG have announced it will add support and Philips automatically changes the booktype using the firmware of the drive. Plextor has till now said it will not support it because it's not according to the DVD+R specifications. On our forum you will find many discussions on the several applications.

More technical information about the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R can be found here. Check here if there are reports that your favorite brand DVD recordables does not work with your DVD player.
 
add to RPMs comment above

If you are not comfortable with any of the "firmware" changes to the hardware, I recommend you staying away from changing anything.

If you don't upgrade/update the firmware, you will be buying new DVD burners.

Also, once you update with firmware, most likely you void mfg's warranty.

man...this is becoming more like DVD drive/burning forum than Ody forum. LOL

Good luck to you all.

Also, disk skipping happens when you have finger print on the disk surface. I had few disks skipped around, later I found out (thru my CSI wanna be skills) finger prints from my son was causing all the skipping and jumping.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
I re-copied all of my son's videos for the car. I copied them with DVD+r and booktyped it to DVD-ROM. So far not a single issue with any skipping, getting stuck, or "invalide disc" messages.

All of the new copies are playing perfectly. I think this was definitely the answer.
 
There a lots of factors with home burned DVDs.

Booktype - already covered

Media - mostly covered. Taiyo Yuden's are the best discs available to man. Look for Fuji discs that are Made In Japan (MIJ). Most MIJ discs are TYs. Sony are also MIJ but are not TY made but are also high quality. Same goes for Maxell.

Burn Speed - Don't burn your DVD at the highest speed the media is rated for. The speed rating comes from many factors but consider this: while the disc is spinning at crazy RPMs the media has to be able to handle the heat being generated from the laser. DVDs are much more compact than a CD, that's why they can hold more data. So as the laser heats up and burns the disc but the time the disc gets around to same side again the heat must be disapated enough to allow proper recording. Sorry if this doesn't make sense. Kind of hard to explain in its entirety.

Basically don't burn the disc at the highest speed possible for the disc and use quality media. I've noticed the DVD drive in the Ody is extremely picky and really hates scratches.
 
Thought I'd chime in with my experience with DVD's...

This is on my '03 Ody w/ Navi, DVD...

DVD+R's do not work in '03 and '04 Ody's...

DVD-R's DO work... Make sure you set them to burn at 4x... I've found little difference in media... However, the ones I've been using and had great experience with are:

Imation DVD-R

Even those these can burn at 16x, you have to lower it to 4x...

I did try other brands (ranging from no-names to Mitsumi); and none of the performed as well as the Imation...

Lastly... The DVD player in Ody's are VERY senstive... I found that even slight scratches on the DVD-R's produced choppiness and sometimes wouldn't even load.

There ya have it! Good luck!
 
Discussion starter · #47 ·
In my 06 Ody, the results are quite different.

I guess it's very possible for Honda to change their DVD players through the years.

My experience has been on my 06
1. DVD-r do occassionally work, but mostly it says "invalid disc"
2. DVD+r work better than the DVD-r
3. DVD+r booktyped to dvd-rom works 100%. No issues.

#1, and #2, it was more successful with certain brands of blank DVDs.
#3 so far successful with all blank media I have tried (Sony, Maxell, TDK, Taiyo Yuden)

I guess there are many variables from the type of media, to the software that burns the copies, speed of burning, to the computer's burner and firmware.

I guess trial and error works well too.
 
My 2 cents.

Software, I use DVD Shrink 3.2 freeware and Nero for last couple years, hardware I currently use unit that came in Dell PC, previously used cheap Cyberhome burner from Bestbuy. Blanks, use DVD+R currently Rytek & Fuji. Everything plays in our 05 Odyssey. In house everything plays except 5 year old expensive Sony DVD player.

Had a problem once when couldn't get Ody player to play with any movie, but road trip and kids had already watched 3 movies so probably just hot, works fine since then.
 
Success!

Finally, after much trial and error I burned ICE AGE 2 on a Sony DVD-R, 8x, using DVD Shrink and Nero(?), (not sure what engine Shrink points to when it burns, I have Nero and DVD Cloner III), and it plays in my 2004 EX-L. My next project is to burn copies of TV shows saved on my COX DVR and play in the van. My wife's a teacher and would love to catch up on her shows when we go out on the road.
 
30VB5 said:
Smedley,

Thanks for the response. I'll post when I have the change to try.
30VB5,

Wow, it's reeeally strange to see someone else with that username :D. I've been using that exact same name on a local VW message board for many, many, many years because I used to have a 1999 Passat GLX. I loved that car so much I even built an online shrine for it ;).

Anyway, after getting the Odyssey, did have to reburn a couple of my DVDs (worked in other cars, but not Ody), but so far I've had luck with DVD Shrink and Power ISO with DVD-R discs.

I also use Nero Express, but I find Power ISO to be faster and more consistently reliable. I always burn at the slowest speeds.
 
Stargazer,

I'm the same 30VB5 that cruised the ClubB5 site in the good old days. I still have my 99 GLS V6 5 speed. It now has 205,000 miles (330,000 kilometers for you) and still running strong. The van is my wife's. Is nice to do mods on a newer vehicle. I still tweek my Passat from time to time, but more maintenance than mods these days. In the process of changing the passenger side drive shaft on the Passat. Good to see a familiar poster from the past!!
 
30VB5 said:
I'm the same 30VB5 that cruised the ClubB5 site in the good old days.
Ha, ha, that's cool. Years ago the Vancouver VW board had a major crash and I had to re-register so that's when I probably stole your name :D. I still miss my Passat. Everytime a silver one goes by, I keep hoping that it's my old Dixie.... I'm weird that way :lol:.
 
eyedude said:
I re-copied all of my son's videos for the car. I copied them with DVD+r and booktyped it to DVD-ROM. So far not a single issue with any skipping, getting stuck, or "invalide disc" messages.

All of the new copies are playing perfectly. I think this was definitely the answer.
What software are you using to backup your originals?
 
software that I use

ToolNila said:
What software are you using to backup your originals?
I use following (cheapest route, I think):

AnyDVD (have to buy it). This typically removes all the encription code that's on the DVD, especially newer DVDs. Once you install it in your system, when you insert your movie into your computer, it is automatic.

Then I use DVD Shrink to back up movies. I like to take all the commercials/previews, menu, etc. Just like to back up the movie part. But that's up to you. You can stored the backed up movie to your hard drive.

To burn the movie, just use any DVD burning softwares. I am not sure there are free ones out there any more.

All the software above were in use since 2005 or so and still works great for regular DVDs (not blue ray)
 
I don't know if anyone is following this thread, but I'm hoping I can get some help. I just picked up an 06 Ody with the RES. I was hoping to take some of my digital movie files (backups that have already been converted to AVI to play on either my computer or Android phone) and put them on discs to be played in the van. I already tried burning straight to a disc, but that doesn't work. Anyone here have experience with getting files to play in their van? Any tips or experience you can share? Thanks in advance!
 
I don't know if anyone is following this thread, but I'm hoping I can get some help. I just picked up an 06 Ody with the RES. I was hoping to take some of my digital movie files (backups that have already been converted to AVI to play on either my computer or Android phone) and put them on discs to be played in the van. I already tried burning straight to a disc, but that doesn't work. Anyone here have experience with getting files to play in their van? Any tips or experience you can share? Thanks in advance!
Van doesn't play the AVI format. It can only play the back up DVD, in its original file format.

Only way to play your AVI format is to play it thru your computer hooked up to its AUX port on the 3rd row side (where you can plug in wired headphones). I have played wii and other game console on a long trip this way. Not the best way, but it works.

Its pain, however, at least there is a way to play back.
 
On a PC you can use DVDsanta, AVS Video Converter, Nero VisonExpress, and DVD Flick (this one is free). Some programs work better than others for certain codecs. No idea why, but sometimes you have to try one and if that doesn't work convert it again using another program.

We convert MPEGs and AVIs to DVDs (recorded on DVD-R) so that our kids can watch them in the van. We download many from our DVR (MPEGs from ReplayTV, no longer made) so the kids can watch their Disney Channel shows in the van.
 
Also ... from our experience, DVD-R works better than DVD+R. Sometimes DVD+R does not work, so far all of our DVD-R discs work in every DVD player we've tried (in various cars and home players). In our Sienna, no DVD+Rs worked. Since then, we've standardized on buying only DVD-R.
 
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