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Has your '02 or '03 Odyssey had tranny failures.

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The above is true, but consider that most race cars have their engines re-built very often (sometimes after every race).

For a personal vehicle, that I have to depend on daily and/or have my wife and kids depend on daily, I think that I'd sacrifice the "noisy" aspect for dependability.

I changed the timing chain and sprockets on my 97 Ranger when it was 9 years old and had 145K miles on it. They where hardly worn, but we did it anyways. I only did it because I had a leaky seal around the water pump so I was swapping it out....and was in the general area.
 

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Our 2.6 Mitsubishi engined Plymouth Voyager chain driven motor had to be changed out twice in it's 250K lifespan. Chain didn't break or stretch but the cheap phenolic (plastic like) chain guides snapped and the chains then hit the other part making a huge racket.

OTOH, all the ohv USA V8's we've owned "never" touched the chains. And also the Toyota and Nissan V6's.

I'm looking forward to chains in Honda's 3.5 motors???? But then think about all the lost revenue to dealers down the line?

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herrhaus said:


Here's some food for thought, ask yourself, why is it that Honda and Toyota install belts in vehicles sold in the US and chains in vehicles sold in other countries????
To guarantee that you'll have to spend a lot for service from them @ 100k miles???:)
 

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Yes....exacly.


BTW: you might want to edit your "link" above.
 

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Just use the "edit" button....bottom right.
 

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herrhaus said:
Just use the "edit" button....bottom right.
Got it. Thanks.

I wonder if Honda is still going to try to get us to put a new water pump in at 100k miles now. I can see changing out the other belts at 100k, but you can usually hear the water pump when the bearing starts to go out. No need to replace it if it's still working fine.
 

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New Dad New Van said:
Timing Belts:

· Quieter
· Consistent valve timing
· Ease of use and adjustment.
· Increased power through less frictional loss, more precise timing, smoother valvetrain and no chain and gears running in oil.
· Only con is when a belt breaks on an interfernce engine, it will cause damage.
· Food for thought – most race track engines have belts.

Timing Chains:

· Perceived to be maintnenance free.
· Sprocket and chain will wear.
· Worn chain will loosen and change valve timing and result in loss of power.
· Noisy.
I guess nothing is perfect. I would think/hope they've tried to mitigate some or all of the cons associated with using a chain - as much as possible. I wonder if the reason Honda switched to chains was an engineering decision, or because people complained about having to replace the belts at 100k miles.
 

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CoolJB96 said:
Got it. Thanks.

I wonder if Honda is still going to try to get us to put a new water pump in at 100k miles now. I can see changing out the other belts at 100k, but you can usually hear the water pump when the bearing starts to go out. No need to replace it if it's still working fine.
I called a couple of dealers when I hit 100K. They both wanted $750 to do the timing belt and water pump. They gave me some song and dance about how the water pumps tend to go after replacing the timing belt. With the rest of the stuff required at the 105K service it was $1,100. Between that and the tranny issue, I decided to trade it in.
 

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New Dad New Van said:
Timing Belts:

· Quieter
· Consistent valve timing
· Ease of use and adjustment.
· Increased power through less frictional loss, more precise timing, smoother valvetrain and no chain and gears running in oil.
· Only con is when a belt breaks on an interfernce engine, it will cause damage.
· Food for thought – most race track engines have belts.

Timing Chains:

· Perceived to be maintnenance free.
· Sprocket and chain will wear.
· Worn chain will loosen and change valve timing and result in loss of power.
· Noisy.
Add to timing chains: Increased mass in the valve train and so reduced engine pickup. (Probably why racing engines use timing belts.)
 

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my 2002 transmission went out at 56K after 6.5 years. replaced both trans and ecu under extended warranty, so honda ate the 4K repair bill. The service advisor said that price was 10% off what they would normally charge, since honda care is price is discounted. Has actully run better since. Only warning I had was on a previous trip, notice that rather than rpm's returing to 2200 or so at 75 mph on a flat stretch, they seemed to be staying in the 2500 to 2600 range, like it hadn't returned to overdrive. Never thought much of it, and then 2 months later on trip to california, loaded with camping gear, notice rpms starting to climb up to 3000 and above. When I finally pulled over, transmission fluid pooling under vehicle. Towed into Yuma where at first they said was just a leaking band and only wanted to replace fluid and sent us on our way. They did a transmission flush and repaced all the fluid. took if for a test drive and came back with burnt fluid, and service adjuster then agreed to complete replace.
 

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The transmission on my '02 EX-L locked while I was driving on the interstate at posted highway speed. It skid to an abrupt involuntary stop, which wore both of the year-old front tires down to the belts. The engine block was also cracked during the mishap, the shift cable snapped, and one of the axles had broken in two.

The dealer stated that it had no goodwill program, but American Honda decided to cover all but $850-900 of the repair bill. I ended up with both axle assemblies replaced, a remanufactured transmission, and a salvage engine, and other miscellaneous related work.

Unfortunately, the engine is due for a timing belt change in about 20k miles--and I just had the timing belt changed near the end of '08. I wish I had thought to tell the shop to go ahead and do it before putting the engine into the car.

Financially, I did well considering the amount of cascading damage caused by the transmission failure. While I appreciate the assistance from Honda, I am frustrated at the danger this incident posed to me, my family (spouse and young kids riding with me at the time), and to the other motorists who barely avoided colliding with us. The transmission that died on me was already the second one for this van (replaced during recall service under prior owner). I cannot help but worry about putting my family in the vehicle again, but I'm not really in a position to walk away from it.
 

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No problem in the 03 ody I just sold, other than the cold weather reverse clunk which was solved by putting it into Drive for a few seconds, then shifting into reverse with no clunk. Warm weather - no problem
 

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My 03 have the reverse clunk recently every time when I back out from my drive-way. It's really loud and you can also feel the shake in the car. I put it into drive for a few seconds as suggested by Bunsen Burner above and did not do the clunk noise. Does anyone know the reason or what will come next to my transmission?
 

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My 03 Ody only did it in the cold. In the warm weather, it was fine just putting it directly in reverse. However, I developed the habit of putting in drive, then reverse for all cold starts, even in the warm weather. I would assume in the very cold, the tranmission fluid would be thicker and the pressure isn't up to snuff for reverse, hence the clunk going into reverse, but I'm not a transmission specialist.

For me, this never progressed to anything more serious - it was just an annoyance until it became my routine to go to drive first.
 

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stephyb said:
I've seen a few posts about transmission problems on '02 and '03 trannies. I'm hoping with this simple question we'll get enough data to see if there really is a problem.

Has your '02 or '03 Odyssey had serious transmission problems?
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Yes, My 02 w/ 61500 mile failed emision test and produced P1491, P0730, and P1750 OBD fail codes.

Actually, I noticed 2nd gear slipping last year, due to high repair cost I put of this long. I called Honda for any assistance, but they refused to help.:mad:
 

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Our 2002 with 70,000 miles had to have the transmission replaced. On a 300 mile trip it seemed like it started slipping while accelerating in about second gear. Check engine light came on and green "D" indicator flashed. Dealer said that it was transmission solenoids but that they could not be replaced without doing transmission as well. Honda supposedly agreed to pay 1/3 of the cost which left us with $2800. After hearing of all of the problems and some cases where they paid more I made some phone calls to Honda but basically wasted a week of time. They refused to pay any more than that. I have always had a hard time choosing between Toyota and Honda but this makes any future choices easier.
 

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Our 2002 with 70,000 miles had to have the transmission replaced. On a 300 mile trip it seemed like it started slipping while accelerating in about second gear. Check engine light came on and green "D" indicator flashed. Dealer said that it was transmission solenoids but that they could not be replaced without doing transmission as well. Honda supposedly agreed to pay 1/3 of the cost which left us with $2800. After hearing of all of the problems and some cases where they paid more I made some phone calls to Honda but basically wasted a week of time. They refused to pay any more than that. I have always had a hard time choosing between Toyota and Honda but this makes any future choices easier.
I agree w/ you. I still have my 93 festiva w/ 120k miles and it passed the emmision test, but my 02 oddesy w/ 61.5k miles failed. So last year I baught Kia Rio, which gives warenty of 10 yrs. /100k miles.
 

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My 03 just went out with 77,xxx miles on it. was giving my wife issues on Thursday ( slipping while accelerating) took it to Honda on friday and was told the transmission module and tranny needs to be replaced plus 2 engine mounts 6,000 dollars.... so i tell them to button it back up and i will figure out what to do. when i get to the dealership to p/u the tcs and tranny lights were on in which case they were not before i took it in. i got maybe 2 miles down the road and the van would just rev in all gears. i could turn of the vehicle and turn it back on and it would go (very ruff and slow) for about 20 feet before i would have to do it again. we had the recall done i think it was a second gear cooler or something @ the dealership and all other oil changes @ the same dealership. my question is what are the recommended services on these yrs and do you think Honda America would be willing to help in this situation on a 7 yr old van with 77,xxx miles on it? next is i have had phone quotes in the ball park of 1,500- 3,000 for a tranny rebuild from local tranny shops.. worth it to go outside of Honda to repair. thanks in advance..David
 
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