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I just got off the phone with a friend that develops suspension components. He wants to know what we're interested in. I'm almost positive he'll do sway bars. Struts and shocks take a good bit more R&D.

Is there enough interest in sway bars to justify the R&D? We'd need about 50 sets @ $250 or so. These numbers aren't concrete just yet.

I'll keep you posted on anything else I hear.

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I'm more interested in the shocks and struts to go with the springs that are coming out. Maybe even springs themselves if he can get them to us quicker!


Hey Jim, I noticed you have a SE-R. I am a member of SE-R.net and was the SERCA rep for northern california. I was one of the first people to install a SR20DET in my 91 SE-R up in Northern California. It is now in my brothers 92 G20 with a Stage 2 F-Max kit bolted on for about 500 wheel HP!! I miss my old SE-R....
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DMGJLG:
Hey Jim, I noticed you have a SE-R. I am a member of SE-R.net and was the SERCA rep for northern california. I was one of the first people to install a SR20DET in my 91 SE-R up in Northern California. It is now in my brothers 92 G20 with a Stage 2 F-Max kit bolted on for about 500 wheel HP!! I miss my old SE-R....</font>
Sweet!!! I'm Jim Fancher, you may have seen my car around. It was on the SERCA 2000 National Convention T-shirt. I need to find that jpg.


Jim and his baby:


SERCA rules:


The person I talked to about the suspension is part of our SE-R group.
That's the only hint that I can give. He'll have to remain nameless for the moment due to a possible conflict of interest.

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Am I the worst about getting off topic or WHAT?


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Jim, I know you!! I have heard your name many times. Did you go to the SE-R national convention in Southern California serveral years ago?? I had the black SE-R with the hood scoop and the DET. I dynoed at Stillen that weekend. Small world isn't it. Funny that two SE-R owners would end up with Odyssey minivans. (Sorry for the OT) David

P.S. To keep this relatively on topic, could you please check into the springs. I am very interested in getting some sport springs that lower about 1.5" or more.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ckonarske:
I'd be very interested in at least a front swaybar, but I sure hope it wouldn't cost $250. I think that would be prohibitive for me.
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He mentioned that atleast a front one would be done. The $250 would be for a set of two. Like I said, nothing is set just yet. I just wanted to gauge interest.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DMGJLG:
Jim, I know you!! I have heard your name many times.</font>
That is SO scary.
The car is actually better known than I am. Pics of it are all over the place. I hope to nail the all-motor record this Fall.


There are a few SE-R guys with Odys. I think it's the only minivan that compares to the car. It handles like a sedan.


Speaking of handling ... our friend will be checking his contacts to see if we can get some dampers made. A few people here want coilovers. We'll see what develops.

One thing he mentioned was the air bags. He loved Nemogira's installation. He'll be talking to his contacts at Air Lift to see if they can make a kit for us. That would be great because I was hoping to install a set of bags this summer.

It is now in my brothers 92 G20 with a Stage 2 F-Max kit bolted on for about 500 wheel HP!!
500hp in a G20 ... yum! Here in Houston, Al Abadilla is building up a MONSTER 240SX with an SR20. He's the one that did my powdercoating on my car. George Roffe and Bruce Hearn are here in Houston too. Lotsa SE-R heavy hitters all in one area.


Drop me a note sometime at [email protected]

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Jim, I don't mind get the sway bars for my Odyssey. Which two sway bars are you refer to for $250? I always like to have sway that go across the engine. I had it in my 1993 RX7 and I love it. It make the car more rigid and look great. Pls let me know when your friend have it available for public. My address is [email protected]
 

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Actually, he's talking about anti-roll bars. These have 2 D-brackets attached to the subframe with a U-shaped bar passing through them, almost as wide as the vehicle itself. The ends of the U attach via endlinks to the lower control arms (LCA's). The effect is less body "roll" during cornering, which would certainly help the Ody out.

Anti-roll bars work like torsion springs. As the vehicle turns right, for example, the suspension on the left side compresses, and the left LCA moves up towards the chassis. An anti-roll bar resists this motion by tying the movement of the left LCA to the movement of the right LCA. For the left to move up, either 1) the right LCA must move up, or 2) the anti-roll bar must flex. Both of these actually occur, but an upgraded (thicker) anti-roll bar increases effect #1 and lessens #2.

The result is a more stable vehicle in turns with reduced body lean. Also, upgrades to the front and rear have different effects. A stiffer front bar increases understeer ("pushing" through turns, where the nose of the vehicle just keeps sliding). A stiffer rear bar increases oversteer, where the tail end comes around (think Dukes of Hazzard
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Generally, understeer is much safer because it's predictable. In an emergency, at least you see what you're about to hit, so you might have a chance at avoiding it. Oversteer is difficult to control if you're not experienced and would be a really bad idea for a minivan. Most vehicles are tuned from the factory to understeer pretty heavily, just for safety's sake.

Anyway, I upgraded the rear anti-roll bar on my 2000 Civic Si and love the results. It's much tighter through the turns. The front was already quite large, so I left that stock.

Oh, Coleman, you are thinking about strut tower bars (a.k.a. strut tower braces).

And I'd just like to say the SE-R is a hella fine car. Nice ride!
 

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I'd be interested in shocks and struts b/c I need new ones. LIke I've mentioned many times already, my Tanabe Springs have killed my stock shocks. I really don't want to put another set of OEM one's in , so I'm hoping that someone comes out w/ shocks soon!!
I figure since H&R and Eibach have put springs out, shocks are next.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tvvinkie:
And I'd just like to say the SE-R is a hella fine car. Nice ride!</font>
Thanks! That's my baby.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by vspecody:
I'd be interested in shocks and struts b/c I need new ones. LIke I've mentioned many times already, my Tanabe Springs have killed my stock shocks</font>
Keep your old ones. We may have to resort to loaded with Koni inserts or maybe custom units.

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Hi Everyone,
I'm quite late to this topic, is there still any interest? If we can get both front and rear anti-roll bars for $250, count me in. Also, would these bars be stock replacements, or are they additional? A few more off-topic questions:
1) Does anyone have a "strut" tower brace on their Ody yet? I'm thinking of having one custom made, but would prefer a prefab unit. I know that this is not as necessary on an Ody (compared to say a VW Golf...), but I like the additional rigidity.
2) Has anyone tinkered with different tires using stock or near-stock sizing? I know that +1 and +2 are great, but with the soft stock suspension, sometime you get better real world results with better tire design and tread compounds in stock sizing than +1 or +2. This is because the excess body lean/roll might cause the lower aspect tire to actually lift during very hard cornering. I'm asking all these questions because performance over looks are my priorities.
Thank you, Kyle.


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