soon2b, We got ours from renton honda, from speaking with coworkers, they say they have an excellent service department. we got an SS EXL-res for $500 over MSRP. They only gave us that after finding out we got the same price from Burien Honda, but burien never came thru with a van. THere were two dealers in Nov. that were willing to sell at MSRP, south tocoma honda and capitol city. I never got pass asking them the price since they both had a 3 month wait list. Renton was able to get me the van in I would say 2 months although that was partly our fault since we had told them we were not interested cause we already had a deposit with Burien. after burien fell thru we waited about 1.5 months. speak to richard ewing and tell him that you got his name thru the honda ody website and also tell him my name, ken YOung. he should remember me since we did alot of talking in the 2 months, him trying to get me to get a EX and have the IVES and leather put in later, etc. But at the end he was able to come thru. They also had the appearance package on the car when it came and a different sticker of MSRP + $1900. Fortunately he didn't even mention the appearnace package or the different price. the package, i could take or leave, its pin strips and wheel edge guards. looks okay but would look okay without it. good luck. Ken