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A couple of weeks ago my drivers side cable broke on my sliding door. After searching the net thoroughly, I was surprised to find nobody had attempted to repair a broken cable on this motor. I was told I pretty much I need to replace the entire assembly. So I took it upon myself to take out the motor ( which I found out later was not necessary) to find out how this motor works and try to replace the cables.

The motor has 2 cables: one to open the door, and one to close the door. Both cables are wound around the same center pulley. It is a pull-pull type of system, in which as one cable is being pulled one way, the other is being pulled the other way, and vice versa. There are 2 spring loaded tensioner pulleys which help keeps tension on both cables. The problem is when one cable breaks, the tension is lost, and the cables can get tangled and damaged inside the assembly. So if your cable breaks, try not to run the motor as this may cause damage to the other good cable. If however the cable is tangled in such a way that you cannot close or open the door properly, then just cut the cable, and replace it.

First thing to do is obviously shut off power to the doors. Then you need to take apart the panel to gain access to the motor. You can look at other threads that show this in detail.
You also need to take out the track cover on the outside of the van to gain access to the rear outer cable pulley and the roller assembly attachment for the sliding door (where the cables attach to). This is done by removing the rear taillight to gain access to the 2 rear screws. There is also a 10mm screw in the front.
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Finally, with the door in the fully open position, remove the roller assembly from the door (where the cables attach to) by supporting the door with a jack and removing the 2- 12mm bolts. Be careful the door does not fall off the jack!

Once you have access to the motor, remove the front cover plate which is held in with about 5-6 screws.
Now remove the pulley by removing the 10mm nut in the center. The pulley is made up of 2 pieces, an inner and an outer pulley. The rear cable wraps around the outer, and the front cable wraps around the inner, which then leads around the outer. Remove the damaged cables.
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Now its time to replace the cable. To do this , I found 1/16” green coated cable at Home Depot (SKU # 259797). You need 13 feet total to make up the 2 cables. Each cable is a different length. The rear cable is 6’9”, and the front cable is 5’1”. Being off an inch or so will probably not be a big deal.
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Once you cut the cables to length, start feeding them from the outside in. It might take a little fiddling to get the cable to go in the cable housing, but it will go.

Once the cables enter the motor assembly, make sure the cables get routed properly between the tensioner pulleys.
Now its time to crimp on the ferrules so the cable will be attached properly to the pulley.
I used 1/16” ferrule and stop set from Home Depot, and after crimping the end on, you can pretty much trim them with a pliers to get the ferrules to seat properly in the pulley housing.
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Route the rear cable around the top of the pulley. Wind it around the pulley until you have about 9 inches sticking out on the outside, which is the length of cable exposed normally when the door is fully open.
For the front cable, do not wind it around the pulley yet, but bring the other end that’s outside to almost meet where the other cable is so to prepare to mount them on the roller attachment.

Now after some trial and error, I found some Thomas and Betts L35-B2 terminal screws at Home Depot that fit inside the roller assembly perfect.
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You will need to grind off the leg part, and just use the screw and thread part. Once you attach each cable onto the terminal lugs, attach both cables onto the roller assembly with the screw facing down, otherwise if you try to put the screw facing up, there will not be enough clearance.

Attach the roller assembly back on the door and remove the jack.

Now it’s time to route the front cable around the inner pulley. If you look at it carefully, its pretty self-explanatory. The cable gets seated on the inner pulley first, then it eventually get fed to the outer pulley. When you see it up close you’ll get a better understanding. Even though the 2 cables are on the same pulley, they never interfere with another because as one is getting fed out, one is getting fed in, and vice-versa. Tension in the cable will be done via the inner pulley
Carefully assemble the pulley back on the shaft. Then grasp the inner pulley with your 2 fingers, pull out, and rotate to make the cable tight. Compare tension with the door on the other side.

Once everything has been put back, you need to close the door manually to make everything “re-synch”. Once this has been done, turn the power back on to the sliding door and give it a shot. If it has trouble closing, try adjusting the roller assembly where the cables attach to.

All parts were under $10. I made a Youtube video ( albeit a sloppy one) to try and illustrate better:

It's been a few days so far, and the door still works great. If you are going to attempt this fix, take your time, and good luck.
 

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Thank you Sir!! you are a life server. I will try to tackle the problem following your instructions.
 

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I really did not pay attention to where the latch motor was, but I think its to the front of the motor.
 

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I think the closing motor is located inside the sliding door. Towards the rear of the door.
 

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Incredible!
I'd been waiting for a couple months hoping someone would have the parts figured out to replace a cable. I had to do both cables for the passenger side door on my van. The rear cable snapped, but after getting accidentally opened a couple times by the kids the front cable got damaged too.
Finally had the time to tear it down this weekend, it took me a little bit to get the cables threaded through the guides but other than that everything was a cinch! Never would have gotten it figured out without the "how-to".

Well worth the effort to save the couple-hundred bucks on a used part from a junk yard.
 

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Thank you Sizzlemp,

This was a great post. I followed instructions and all went well. The only thing I had to add was I ended up looping the cable through the lug and then used a ferrel (part of the kit) to hold the loop together I also made the back cable a couple inches longer to accomplish this. I did this because when I tried using the cable and lug only the cable pulled out of the lug even though I had the screw cranked all the way. Looks like others have not had this problem but if you do this tip might help.

Thanks again this saved a boatload of money. The motor alone at the local dealer was $580.00
 

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The only thing I had to add was I ended up looping the cable through the lug and then used a ferrel (part of the kit) to hold the loop together I also made the back cable a couple inches longer to accomplish this. I did this because when I tried using the cable and lug only the cable pulled out of the lug even though I had the screw cranked all the way.
You know, it did cross my mind to do that for extra strength, but for some reason I never did it, but it certainly does not hurt.

Glad it worked out for you.
 

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do you know if that is the same motor used in a 2005 -06 odyssey any information will help. i replaced the middle rollers and the cable is loose on the front side . i dont know how to adjust . and the door wont open all the way thank you scott f email [email protected]
 

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do you know if that is the same motor used in a 2005 -06 odyssey any information will help. i replaced the middle rollers and the cable is loose on the front side . i dont know how to adjust . and the door wont open all the way thank you scott f email [email protected]
I don't know, but regardless it sounds like you need to get to the motor to adjust the slack. The pulley on my motor can be adjusted manually to adjust the tension of the cable. I would think the 05-06 would be the same. This is one video I found on youtube, not sure if this helps you. Looks as though the motor is actually in the door, but I can't tell.
 

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Sizzlemp, I'm having trouble with your video. How did you get the ferrules attached to the cable and threaded onto the pulleys? I can manage the inner pulley but cannot figure out how to get the rear/outer pulley threaded and the ferrule to stay.
Thanks.
 

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If my memory serves correct, you need to remove the inner pulley to properly attach the rear cable to the outer pulley.
Remove the 10mm holding the inner pulley on, you should then be able to slide out the inner and outer pulleys. It will then be easier to route the rear cable around the outer pulley and seat the ferrule end inside the outer pulley ( its hidden by the inner pulley) . Once you route it, simply push the pulley back on the shaft. You don't need to be concerned about what position the pulley was in, the motor automatically re-syncs everytime you close the door.

Just an FYI, over the weekend I checked on my ground lugs that the cables attached to, and the cables are still tight. I even tried putting a lot of tension on the cables, and did not budge. However if I could do it over again, I would have tinned some solder at the ends just to be sure the cable would not slipout of the ground lugs.
 

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Also if anyone was having problems watching my video above, it should be working now.
 

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Great post man. Thanks a lot.

I have a problem following your instructions though. I got the inner pulley out easily after removing the 10 mm nut. But I couldn't get the outer pulley to budge. It won't come out. I could try to force it out, but I was afraid it may break.

How did you get yours to come out?
 

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Great post man. Thanks a lot.

I have a problem following your instructions though. I got the inner pulley out easily after removing the 10 mm nut. But I couldn't get the outer pulley to budge. It won't come out. I could try to force it out, but I was afraid it may break.

How did you get yours to come out?
It should slide right off the shaft. You have to pull it straight off. Maybe yours needs a little WD-40 and a few taps with a hammer.
 

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Good MacGyver solution. Thanks for posting.

I don't know if this would work, but using a bicycle brake cable might be a better option for the actual cable to use. You'd want a mountain bike brake cable (vs. road bike or shifter cables, both of which are thinner). They come with one or both ends already with cylindrical cast ferrules attached. You'll of course need to make sure they're long enough and then cut to length.

Any bike shop that offers repair + tune up services should have a good selection. Should cost between $1 and $5.
 
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