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I've stopped reading the Edmunds town hall. Hopefully I'm not missing anything important. Hopefully, hot-button issues will make their way here so I don't miss important recalls, service bulletins, etc.

I just hate the format of the Edmunds town hall. Love the ultimate bulletin board employed here . . I refuse to go back.

Has this site been promoted over there? I'm surprised we don't see more traffic here.

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Everytime I see 4 or 5 new members in one day I go to Edmunds to see if Chuck or Caviller posted the URL. Sure enough, they do.

Thanks guys!

Every little bit helps.



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"Every little bit helps."


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I just wish it would help a little faster!


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"I slipped in another plug today:)"

I missed that one. I've started putting a link to this site in my signature when I post on Edmund's or Yahoo. Whatever it takes to bring them over. I figure we just can't git 'em here fast enuff!


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Well, I just got my wrist slapped by Edmunds. They sent me this:

"Dear ckon,
Thank you for your participation in Town Hall; however, your messages copied below from the Honda Odyssey discussion topics is a violation of our Terms of Use, which you agreed to when joining the Town Hall community. We value you as a member of our Community and realize that you may not be aware that you have violated our Terms of Use agreement. For your future reference, “Terms of Use” can be found on the left navigational bar on each page within Town Hall. Also, for your convenience, I’m including a direct link to the Terms of Use for further clarification: Town Hall Terms of Use
Your specific post has violated our Contributions and Participant Conduct regarding Solicitation/Promotion of Town Hall Members. “I agree that, except with Edmunds.com Inc.’s prior consent, I will not solicit or promote any products or services within Town Hall, and I will not use information supplied within Town Hall to solicit or promote any products or services via email or any other method. I agree that I will be responsible for any damages resulting from any violation of this Agreement.”


#1756 of 1768 Thanks all by ckon Mar 20, 2001 (07:18 am)


"Now if only I could find those or the Bosch replacements somewhere... "


I think Target and Pep Boys carry them; don't know about our sizes, though.


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#559 of 565 Auburn63-door rattles? by ckon Mar 20, 2001 (09:42 am)


I've had good luck so far with two procedures.


First, "floating" and adjusting the plastic female receivers on the front of the door
jams. If you loosen them just a little so that they stay in place until slight force is
applied, and then close the door to allow the male parts, or pins, to engage them,
the position of the door will float them into place. It might be worth a try to put some
gentle inward force on the front edge of the door when it's closed to make sure the
receivers are biased as far inward as possible. Then gently release the pressure on
the door. Now re-open the door and tighten the receiver's mounting bolts. This is the
final adjustment recommended after all other door adjustments are in spec.


The second trick that has worked well for me is lubing ALL of the door seals,
especially the sliders, with silicone spray. This really quiets a lot of little noises.


The fastest, easiest amd neatest way I've come up with is to spray the silicone onto
a small sponge and than apply it to the seals. At first, lubing worked like magic, but
the fix didn't last long. I've had my van for almost six months and at first I had to
apply the lube ever week or two, but the interval seems to be getting much longer,
so it takes a a number af applications to build up or soak in or whatever.


It's possible that if you lube the seals first, that's all it needs. Hope this helps.


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#562 of 565 Re-Chuck by ckon Mar 20, 2001 (10:20 am)


Oops, treyh1 is right . I forgot to mention the bumpers. You might want to do the
bumpers before you do the float.


The bumpers (one on each side) are 12" up from the bottom of the door, 3" forward
of the rear edge of the door. There are also two on each of the front doors. Find
them and then you'll know what you're looking for. They are designed to be adjusted
by hand; just unscrew it to make the door fit tighter.

It's probably best to do the lube first, then the bumpers, and the receivers last. Then
if one fixes it, you don't have to do the other(s).


Chuck

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We appreciate you understanding our desire to ensure Town Hall is an enjoyable experience for all of our members. Any further posted messages violating our Terms of Use will be removed and your participation may be prohibited from Town Hall. We value all of our Town Hall members and thank you in advance for adhering to the Terms of Use Agreement.
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You probably can't see it here, but all of the references to our forum's address were in bold so I guess that's what I did wrong. How they see the inclusion of the address of this forum as a solicitation of a product or service, I'll never know. I don't think they want Ody owners to have access to any info unless it comes from Edmunds.


If inviting people to our the forum here threatens Edmunds, they've got a problem.


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Maybe it was the references to Target and Kmart? I haven't received one as of yet, either for mentioning Bosch, or for the link to this site. Guess I need to push it a bit more.
 

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I've gotten the same type of emails from them. A few times.


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Only the addresses to this site were in bold, so I guess that's what was bugging Drew. I sent him a not asking him to clarify, but haven't heard anything. Sheesh.

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They see this site as competition. They squash any reference to competing sites.

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We must really scare 'em. I just got this in my e-mail after I tried to answer a question from another user:

"Dear Chuck,
Your screen name "ckon" has been banned and your participation has been prohibited from Town Hall as you have violated our Terms of Use, which you agreed to when you registered with Town Hall. For your convenience, I’m including a direct link to the Terms of Use for further clarification: Town Hall Terms of Use.

Specifically, you are in violation of Soliciation/Promotion by soliciting our members to the http://www.honda-odyssey.com forum.

"I agree that, except with Edmunds.com Inc.'s prior consent, I will not solicit or promote any products or services within Town Hall, and I will not use information supplied within Town Hall to solicit or promote any products or services via email or any other method.

I agree that I will be responsible for any damages resulting from any violation of this Agreement."


Please note that our Terms of Use states “I acknowledge that Edmunds.com, Inc. reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate any participant's Town Hall account or privileges for any reason with or without notice.” We are regretful that this action was necessary, but our goal is to ensure Town Hall is an enjoyable experience for our members.

Dana S. Livingston
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AOL Instant Messenger: DanaLivingston"

I feel a little bit peeved at this. I can't even answer a question from another user now. Oh, well. One less forum to check.



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I am SO sorry, Chuck. I don't see what the big deal is. We're just a niche website. We all visit all of the forums anyway. It would seem like they'd want to share links or promote each other.

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Chuck, in case it is me you want to reply to, I reposted here under "problems". I'll use this forum exclusively from now on.
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OOOOOHHHHH, THEY'RE WATCHING!!

I just got this:

Chuck,

Here is an example from the Honda-Odyssey forum:

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Everytime I see 4 or 5 new members in one day I go to Edmunds to see if Chuck or Caviller posted the URL. Sure enough, they do.
Thanks guys!

Every little bit helps.



I do believe this would be considered solicitation/promotion by just about anyone who read our Terms of Use policy. Sorry if you didn't understand that trying to redirect members to another site would be solicitation/promotion, but it seems clear cut to me, especially after taking a look at the comments in the honda-odyssey forum. Thanks for your understanding.
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And I responded with this:

"-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Konarske [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:53 AM
To: Livingston, Dana
Subject: Re: Edmunds.com Town Hall


"I agree that, except with Edmunds.com Inc.'s prior consent, I will not solicit or promote any products or services within Town Hall, and I will not use information supplied within Town Hall to solicit or promote any products or services via email or any other method.

In my view, the above statement referred to trying to promote sales, etc., on your site, which I would never intentionally do. It therefore escapes me as to what I did that you found conflicts with your stated goals.

It seems reasonable to me that sharing information is the aim of such forums and that's all I was trying to do. If such mundane activity threatens Edmunds, so be it.

Chuck Konarske"

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And here is what I hope is the final word.

"Chuck,

I didn't seen any posts in the Honda-Odyssey forum promoting Edmunds as a great source of information...rather it seemed a bit biased in slamming Edmunds Town Hall in that particular discussion. Seems a bit one-sided in terms of sharing information don't you think?

If you think it is narrow minded of me, think what you want, but you are wrong. The Terms of Use were created by our legal team and consultants...not by me. My job is to enforce them. Best of luck to you.

Sincerely,
Dana S. Livingston
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T: 310-309-4942
F: 310-309-6400
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ckonarske:
And here is what I hope is the final word.

"Chuck,

I didn't seen any posts in the Honda-Odyssey forum promoting Edmunds as a great source of information...rather it seemed a bit biased in slamming Edmunds Town Hall in that particular discussion. Seems a bit one-sided in terms of sharing information don't you think?

If you think it is narrow minded of me, think what you want, but you are wrong. The Terms of Use were created by our legal team and consultants...not by me. My job is to enforce them. Best of luck to you.

Sincerely,
Dana S. Livingston
Manager, Community
Edmunds.com, Inc.
www.edmunds.com
T: 310-309-4942
F: 310-309-6400
AOL Instant Messenger: DanaLivingston"


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Wow. I enjoy Edmunds forums because of the volume of posters. I thought their major downside was that there is no threading or search utility, such that good information is essentially lost in the archives unless you want to spend hours reading posts. Now there's a second downside- moderators that have nothing better to do than to ban excellent contributors like ckonarske because they are sharing the websites of other Odyssey forums.

Strangely, I never viewed them as competitors, I regularly read and posted to both. I hope they don't make me choose, if they haven't already. Ironically, I've gotten various e-mails from people who found my site, and referred them to the various Odyssey forums at Edmunds for more information. Maybe I need my own terms of Use?


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Well said. I've always felt the same way, but I guess we can't criticize anything about them.

She made it sound like if we'd said something nice about them, then I'd still be in their good graces. Kind of a strange interpretation of their rules, isn't it?

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I don't understand it. I see this site as an addition to the Yahoo and Edmund forums. Not a replacement. I've never looked at it as an "Us against Them" situation. I even wrote to Karen (I think that's her name) a while back about quoting from Edmunds and linking to their site as a courtesy.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jim F:
I don't understand it. I see this site as an addition to the Yahoo and Edmund forums. Not a replacement. I've never looked at it as an "Us against Them" situation. I even wrote to Karen (I think that's her name) a while back about quoting from Edmunds and linking to their site as a courtesy.

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That's what I tried to tell her, but because of the single example of gram_parsons criticism she seemed to interpret it a little differently than we did. I think their interpretation depends on whose ox is being gored. Sounds kinda short sighted and narrow minded to me. A strange sort of censorship, but it's Edmunds that will lose a lot of the willing expertise that resides here if we have to choose. Personally, I'd have preferred to be welcome to contribute over there, too. Oh, well.

PS: I just saw Drew refer another poster to my Rostra link (although he spelled it wrong). Kinda ironic, but I guess that's okay.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ckonarske:
PS: I just saw Drew refer another poster to my Rostra link (although he spelled it wrong). Kinda ironic, but I guess that's okay.
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LOL!!

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