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Fixed VCM, replaced plugs, P0301 several months later?

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1.4K views 10 replies 8 participants last post by  dick_freebird  
#1 ·
Hey all,

2012 Ody here, 153,000 miles.

Several months ago my Ody was noticeably misfiring in cylinder 1 - I could actually sense it when the car was idling before it threw a code.

I read up on VCM muzzles here, installed one, and then put all fresh plugs in and changed the oil.

The car has been running great since then, I don't see the Eco light coming on, and I don't hear a misfire. However, it threw the same P0301 code yesterday when I was driving!

My understanding is that the cylinder could have been damaged by the VCM and now is still allowing oil to get in there and foul the plug. My question is - what should I do next?

I was hoping to drive this car another 100,000 miles - do I need to take it to the shop for a compression check / valve job? Or should I just reset the code and see if it throw another one, since I can't hear/feel the misfire like before (maybe it's a fluke this time?)

Thanks in advance!
 
#2 ·
put all fresh plugs in
What brand/model and what was the source (retailer) of those plugs? I'd start with a new spark plug on cylinder 1 and moving the coil from cylinder 1 to another cylinder (one on the front bank). That's starting with the cheapest option first.

The cylinder doesn't get damaged with VCM, it just carbons up and sticks the rings in a bad orientation. Don't lose hope yet.

-Charlie
 
#4 ·
Also. At about 150K, its time for a valve adjustment. VCM is NOT the only thing that can cause misfires. Its just ONE of the things that can and is very common. You are ahead of the pack being muzzled and all.

In addition to VCM, a bad plug, a bad coil, a bad injector or too loose or tight valves can cause misfires. I would start with swapping the plug to a different cylinder. Then the coil if the misfire does not move and so on. Several threads on how to troublshoot misfires are on here.

Finally, at 150K ish, its time for a valve adjustment and valve cover gasket work any way so get that done as well.

Just yesterday, there was a thread of a bad injector on a 8xK mile 2016 so anything is possible.
 
#5 ·
Misfires can be caused by so many things. You need to determine the cause of it first before jumping to conclusions.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
#9 ·
I would not rule out injector balance. Would have to look at fuel rails to say how likely, but have twice seen and fixed cars where dead-end rails, end position made one silt up way early. Homebuilt injector tester showed large delivery imbalance. I bought a set of used ones off the internet and reinstalled the closest grouped 8 of the 16. Not a Honda, obviously - a Lincoln and a Porsche. But 2 for 2 on this being an eventual problem for every EFI motor that doesn't "sweep through" the rails.

When I put the aftermarket intake on my Camaro I made the feed, Y-blocked to feed both and another Y-block to relieve both, so any silt got another chance at the filter.
 
#10 ·
Homebuilt injector tester showed large delivery imbalance.
For those that don't want to build their own tester, there are a ton of options for testing and cleaning services - but you have to be ok with the vehicle being down for a bit for shipping, etc. Generally a better (and cheaper!) option than getting new injectors - that are either crazy expensive (dealer) or questionable quality (Amazon, eBay, etc.)

-Charlie
 
#11 ·
Yeah, I built that tester back when I had no choice,
there were no forums like this. Later on I just paid
guys to clean and flow-test, for about what I paid
for the boneyard fuel pump, regulator and rails
I used to make the tester (along with a graduated
cylinder and a timed pulse train generator to drive
the injector).

But vs shop rates? Fuggedaboudit.