Fuel Cut Off Valve

Coleman_lot · Feb 23, 2002

Have anyone heard of the Fuel Cut Off Valve story? It was air on discovery channel last night. Law enforcement try to get fuel cut off valve into every future vehicle. Its purpose is to limit the high speed chase and eliminate harzardous chase on public street. The way it work is: all police cars will have the fuel cut off valve control laser gun, they can direct the laser gun into any car to slow down its fuel flow and slow down the car to about 15 mph. To me, it is a wonderful idea.....will have less crime involve with car for sure (less car stolen, less carjack, can't use car as a weapon, etc.)! What do everyone think?

SuperDad · Feb 23, 2002

I haven't heard the story, but the laser idea won't work well. If I'm a bad guy and have half a clue, I'll cover the laser pickup before I start my run. I suppose it would stop people who didn't have an idea they could get into a chase.

Coleman_lot · Feb 23, 2002

They said, they'll make it so that it is impossible for anybody to bypass the system. I hope they come up with this system quick. It scare the hell out of me to drive along a high speed chase car.

FrontierOdy · Feb 23, 2002

What happens when an "unsavory character" gets hold of a controller and brings rush hour traffic to a stand-still?

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Coleman_lot · Feb 23, 2002

They said they'll have the special code for the laser. You can only activate the code from the police station, which require the authorize officer to call office to activation the laser gun. They can only use the system in an emergency situation only, which is during actual chase to slow down the prospective vehicle. They said it will be very safe and will save life on the street.

Maugham · Feb 23, 2002

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Coleman_lot · Feb 23, 2002

Maug. That is exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you for the information. It is a great idea....!

celler · Feb 23, 2002

I know this really sounds good on its face, but its just a little too Big Brother-ish for me. I have no intention of ever running from a police officer, but the government having the capability of preventing me from traveling reminds me of check points and road blocks in the Soviet Union.

I am all for anything that betters public safety, but not at the cost of individual liberties. That's way too much power in the hands of any government.

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Maugham · Feb 23, 2002

Originally posted by celler:
I know this really sounds good on its face, but its just a little too Big Brother-ish for me. I have no intention of ever running from a police officer, but the government having the capability of preventing me from traveling reminds me of check points and road blocks in the Soviet Union.

I am all for anything that betters public safety, but not at the cost of individual liberties. That's way too much power in the hands of any government.

Face-recognition cameras along the highway - forget to pay your income taxes on time and your car shuts down.

Say something politically incorrect - car shuts down.

Is there anyone in the Odyclub who HAS NOT seen evidence of governmental misuse of power?

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Canodyssey · Feb 23, 2002

Originally posted by Maugham:
Face-recognition cameras along the highway - forget to pay your income taxes on time and your car shuts down.

Say something politically incorrect - car shuts down.

Is there anyone in the Odyclub who HAS NOT seen evidence of governmental misuse of power?

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Canodyssey · Feb 23, 2002

Hey!!!

Jim F · Feb 23, 2002

Anything electronic can be hacked. Just take a tour around my house.

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Coleman_lot · Feb 23, 2002

I don't think it is that bad..! According to the law agent, he said; they wouldn't use the system for anything else. The only its purpose is to stop the silver bullet that try to get away from the law enforcement officers on a public street, which is endanger the public safety. I bet you don't want to see those high speed chase around your neighborhood.

celler · Feb 24, 2002

Originally posted by Coleman_lot:
I don't think it is that bad..! According to the law agent, he said; they wouldn't use the system for anything else.(snip)

Therein lies the problem. What guarantees do you have of that. None! Once the system is installed, the government can find all sorts of other good uses for it. Maugham chime in here, you came up with some really good ones.

Jim is also right. Man cannot create anything that can't be hacked by another man (or woman for that matter). Just ask Direct TV.

There are other good ways of stopping high speed chases that do not interfere with rights of innocent citizens:
1)spike strips
2)electromagnetic pulse technology
3) pursuit intervenion manuvers
4)the cop calls off the chase (yes, we don't have to catch every speeder and shoplifter). High speed chases should be limited to dangerous criminals, not the 17 year old that panics when he sees blue lights.

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Maugham · Feb 24, 2002

Originally posted by celler:
...Therein lies the problem. What guarantees do you have of that. None! Once the system is installed, the government can find all sorts of other good uses for it. Maugham chime in here, you came up with some really good ones.

Let's just skip all those intermediate steps, like the laser that cuts of the fuel system in cars.

It would be MUCH more efficient if we put that "fuel cutoff system" much closer to the source of the problem.

At birth, each infant could be outfitted with a small "fuel cutoff system" implant, which is controlled by the authorities.

Imagine that a criminal is about to pull the trigger or that he appears to be escaping. When the officer enters a code in a wireless computer and receives central authorization: Presto! The bad guy is "disabled."

That would save many lives and cost much less than current enforcement techniques.

Of course, that system would never be abused.

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PINODY · Feb 24, 2002

we are able to track you by means of the lead in the hand-PAINTed PINstriping. the vinyl striping is also encoded!

FW_in_OKC · Feb 24, 2002

Once state legislators get this type system on the books as legal for the cops to use on fleeing felons, it will only be a matter of time. Stationary lasers will be located up and down the streets limiting your vehicle's speed with the next generation version of this system. Congress will enact legislation that all automobile manufacturers will have to equip all new cars with the technology and all states will have to install the lasers or lose highway funding. This so that Big Brother can speed-up or slow-down traffic as they damn well please. Remember Animal Farm?

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Coleman_lot · Feb 24, 2002

WOW! it sound like all of you favor the high speed chase...! If you don't want any law at all in your life, would as well live the wild and would as well get rid of all the law enforcement. Is that how all of you want? To me, it would be a scary world without law enforcement.....! Me, I like it safe...!

Canodyssey · Feb 24, 2002

Originally posted by Coleman_lot:
WOW! it sound like all of you favor the high speed chase...! If you don't want any law at all in your life, would as well live the wild and would as well get rid of all the law enforcement. Is that how all of you want? To me, it would be a scary world without law enforcement.....! Me, I like it safe...!

Well obviously we are against high speed chases but you can't go assuming everyone is a potential criminal either. This system would step over that line.
It beats me that in this day and age that the police can't fire something at the fleeing vehicle that will disable the sensitive electronics and thus kill the vehicle.
I mean, I had an old Datsun B210 that used to stall traversing puddles.

ckonarske · Feb 24, 2002

Originally posted by Coleman_lot:
WOW! it sound like all of you favor the high speed chase...! If you don't want any law at all in your life, would as well live the wild and would as well get rid of all the law enforcement. Is that how all of you want? To me, it would be a scary world without law enforcement.....! Me, I like it safe...!

Coleman_lot, are you quite young? With all due respect, you seem to have the innocence of a person who hasn't yet experienced the real world.

Wanting safety and protection above all else makes you perfect fodder for some really nasty things. As long as someone tells you you'll be less at risk, apparently you'll buy whatever they're trying to sell you without realizing the true cost.

If you *are* a bit older, the politicians and anyone else who'd be tempted to take advantage of you have you just exactly where they want you. You seem to be very eager to give up a lot of your rights as long as someone tells you it's for your own good.

Please don't be offended; this is not an accusation, just an observation and I may may well be wrong.

If the Founding Fathers had valued safety above all other considerations, we'd all still be British subjects.

Take care.

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