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I didn't know ther was a power sunroof aftermarket option.

Power? Where does it put the glass window? Retract inside the van, or outside?

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I'm not familiar with the products you refer to. But I have yet to see an aftermarket sunroof that did not leak. Seems the factory jobs have drains in the corners to prevent build up of water which keeps them dry.

Aftermarket sunroofs usually lack this feature causing them to leak. YMMV.

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Yep, I got one. Almost three years old and no problems yet. A glass panel that goes up and outside the van as it moves to the rear. Mine is Hollandia (Dutch compnay.)
 

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Hey Llarry, what are the dimensions of your spoiler type sunroof? And how high off the roof does it stick up when retracted? I'm wondering if you can open it even with a surfboard on the roof rack. I popped by the Hollandia/Webasto (mfg merger) installer (Classic Soft Trim) near me and he showed me an ody with the automatic in-roof retracting sunroof. Looks good, has drain tubes, excellent install. But you lose 1.5 in. headroom behind the sunroof (I measured and was impressed that it wasn't more), and the middle row vent/lights are moved back about 8 inches (over your head instead of in front, could be bothersome but actually easier for kids to reach). I measured the "hole in the headliner at 25 x 16.5 inches which is pretty small. A wider model would fit if it didn't have to squeeze between the door workings and rear HVAC controls when it slid back into the roof. A spoiler type sunroof could likely be much larger and not as invasive to the roof structure, but the folks there said they only install the spoiler type on cars with roofs that are not long enough for a retractable. And van owners who need headroom for their llamas.

By the way, aftermarket sunroofs have improved tenfold in the last ten years. So has "headliner technology". Back in 1986 I put a sunroof in my Grand Prix mainly to hold up the headliner that had fallen down. That said, you still want to find a reputable installer (one the car dealers use) and look at their work.

for pictures of Odyssey sunroofs, go to the links page.

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hey Ken, what size or model # was that in-built? 43 43.5c or 44 stratos 700 series? do they handle ASC also?
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LHOdy:
Check out this link.

http://www.langsautoaccessories.com/whatsnew/installs/honda_odyssey.htm

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The background of the photo makes it look more like a "snow roof" than a "sunroof."


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WOW!!! Hey Ken does the webasto/holl. look like that? ASC is impressssive. I'm in, now to find a local installer who can do it like lang. I looked real close and saw me inside looking out. thanks gang.
 

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Pinody, I believe it was the stratos 700 series (I think that's what the box said). But the installer told me that the 700 series comes in various sizes, although only the 25 x 16.5 inch model fits the ody. Thats the size of the interior hole. The hole in the metal (the size of the glass panel) is larger of course.

My Classic Soft Trim Dealer is not an ASC dealer but some are. The main difference I've seen is the method of install. The Webasto guys put in a whole new headliner which is glued to the flat substrate of the sunroof mechanism. From what I can tell the ASC installers put some kind of seam from right to left and replace only the front half of the headliner. If they replace it with some sort of moulded headliner piece it would look better than the Webasto headliner which does not have the smoothest transition from the flat horizontal roof panel to the curved deeply moulded headliner parts around the doors etc. Otherwise both ASC and Webasto seem to have the same tyoe of mechanism and both offer automatic closing when the car is shut off.

I'm still interested in checking out spoiler type sunroofs. Anyone besides Llarry have one?

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I love it, but here's the biggie .....

How much do they cost? I think I like the 'outside' kind rather thatn the 'inside' kind, but I'd be intereste in the cost on either.


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[This message has been edited by dgs (edited 02-15-2002).]
 

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dgs, I was quoted $1200 for the in-built Webasto from Classic Soft Trim thru my dealer. I already have my ody but the dealer said I can get the roof later thru them I was too chicken to have it done before delivery. Walk-ins at CST are charged significantly more. More than half the cost is labor. Sounds like a lot until you witness the surgery they have to perform.

Llarry, maybe you can fill us in on the Spoiler type. Cost? interior hole size $ Glass size? How far it sticks up? I am very interested in the spoiler roof if it can be had in large sizes.

Anyone else with aftermarket sunroof? Please chime in.

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I have one like the Lang link on my '98 CRV EX. I don't know the make but it does slide into the roof and also vent one touch. I have had no problems with it. My only concern is for those that have IVES system. I don't think you can install a sunroof that will slide into the roof due to the screen being mounted in it's path.



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Oops -- somehow lost this thread. In the meantime, the Ody is presently in the body shop to be "de-keyed" (aargh!) so I will have to wait to give dimensions. The model that I got is the "Emerald S" but this is three years ago, so models may have changed since then. At the time, I could only find a shop to do the spoiler type (retract to the outside) given the roof vents, etc.

I cannot recommend the shop where I had the installation done. In fact, I got into a long dispute with them afterwards on overcharging and poor workmanship on another item I had done at the same time. The price for the spoiler sunroof was $795, which was certainly reasonable. I also learned that they contracted the sunroof part of the job out, so I do not know who actually installed the roof anyway.

I did check several shops in my area before having the job done. Since the Odyssey was new at the time, a couple of them were not much interested and all were a little leery of the installation given the proximity of the roof vents, etc. I also think that the sunroof install required cutting the structural member tying the B pillars together. As I said before, I have had no problems whatsoever with the sunroof. BUT: I suspect the structural integrity of the van has been compromised.

If I am ever in a rollover accident (and survive) I will report on this aspect further.

I expect to get the Ody back late this week and will do some measurements/photos.
 

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Llarry. So sorry to hear about your "key job". Makes you want to trade your Ody for a Bradley fighting vehicle.

Would you (or anyone else) care to comment on wind noise. I wonder if spoiler type sunroofs are noisier than in-roof ones. They may even be quieter.
Also, is there a any kind of sliding sunshade for it? And given the choice, would you do it again?
 

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I've owned a number of in-retracting sunroofs and this single spoiler-type. Based on that small sample, I don't think the spoiler type on the Ody is any more noisy that the OE type, although a sunroof will always have some noise when it's open.

Yes, there is an interior shade that manually opens and closes, as well as a (small) wind deflector at the front that deploys as the glass moves back.

Dimensions: Estimated size of the opening cut in sheet metal: 16.5" x 32.5" wide;
interior opening dimension: 14.25" x 26.5" wide. (However, actual clear opening is about 12" front-to-rear, since both the glass and the sliding shade impinge upon that.) Projection of the rear edge of the glass above the exterior surface when fully open: 2.4" (60mm) at both center and to sides (since both roof and glass are slightly curved.)

Overall I've been pleased. My only reservation is the structural factor, which will only come into play in a serious hit, I think.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Llarry:
If I am ever in a rollover accident (and survive) I will report on this aspect further.</font>
Is it just me or......You have a quirky (perspective) way of looking at life.


Of course, I pray that you and other members of this club and myself would always drive safely and live (healthy) for as long as we desire.


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I found this thread while not-sleeping-because-I-am-an-insomniac surfing...

just thought I could sprinkle some insight on this this topic:

The spoiler types can actually be quieter than the regular moonroofs. (I think webasto or farmont skylight owns the right to the Sunroof name, thus, the generic is moonroof, believe or not).

The noise levels depend quite a bit on the slope of the front of the roof and, most importantly, the wind deflector that comes with the sunroof.

I actually tested some regular moonroofs that had less wind noise without the wind deflector. In some of these case, the wind deflectors were not really needed because the slope of the roof did a good job at forcing air away from the opening or the actual moonroof (if spoiler type). Alas, they sell you the moonroof with the wind deflector as part of it.

Another thing is that the spoiler types are actually cheaper. Somebody mentioned that "they do not install spoiler types unless the roof cannot take a regular moonroof". This installer is saying: "If we can make you swallow the extra price of something you don not want, we do not care, you ARE going to swallow it". Technically speaking, you should be able to use either one (spoiler vs. regular).

On the price front, you will be pained to know that markups are over 50% for units alone. I worked for an OEM at their moonroof plant and were selling (6 years ago) the moonroofs to Ford for a vehicle I cannot mention at $350 or so. Our cost was about $245. Those prices were for OEM units. Units sold to dealers (for aftermarket install) were marked at around $800 or so. The spoiler type sunroofs were sold to OEM for about $240 (quite cheaper than the -in-body regulars). Our costs on the spoiler were around $180. Yes, margins on the spoilers were smaller because the units itself were usually smaller (doeas that really make sense, anyway?).

In any case, labor is the biggest part of the job, indeed. Get a craftman. That member that mentioned their installer contracting out the installation (these guys behave like dentists now, having assistant to the assistant actually do the job) should be very upset. Two most important things are: get the right unit and the right installer. You now do not even know who cut up your Ody. Hopefully it all turns all right a few years from now.

Also, in terms of trim, it would increase the cost and time, but replacing the entire liner on the inside of the roof would be the best thing to do. The installer will not match the OEM liner. Even if it buys from the same supplier, it won't be the same batch/roll and there will be a bit of a difference in the fabric "feel" of it.

Finally as far as the $1,200 "option" for an aftermkt moonroof...it ain't that bad...This Ford vehicle I mentioned without mentioning had the Ford dealer cost on the moonroof at $800 but sticker was around $1,200 too. So there you go. It's not a bad price for the Ody moonroof.

I thought about adding one to our EXL RES and think the spoiler would be the way to go b/c of the Monitor. One thing though, spoiler types could rattle (at least 4 years ago) under the "wrong" conditions (road bumps, strong gust of side wind, etc.) (or Detroit freeways!). Even with the possibility of a rattle at some point or another, I have always preffered spoiler types. Note that they usually do not rattle. Some do under the "wrong" conditions.

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