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We owned an excellent 2004 Ody, and thinking the 2018 would be essentially the same vehicle but newer, we purchased an ‘18 EXL-RES last May. Although it is true that in some important ways, such as improved handling, ride, safety features and others, the new model is an improvement, many changes in the interior design seem to be inferior.

These include:
--The front seats are narrower, less padded and thus less comfortable than those on the ‘04.
--The loss of many front area compartments for carrying or holding objects. Why no large pull-out under the passenger seat?
--Inside-the-door shelves that are spaced so that it is very difficult to reach the bottom one. The middle one gets in the way.
--The driver’s side seat belt is more difficult to reach.
--The display for the parking “BRAKE” is difficult to see, being at the bottom of the dash display. Why not place it at the top of the display? There is plenty of room there.
--The window sills are now shelf-shaped instead of tapered, making it more difficult to reach out of windows, especially the driver’s side window.
--With the third row seats down, the floor in the cargo area is not flat.
--The side pockets in the rear cargo area are not large enough to store the headrests when they are removed from the third row seats in order to stow the seats.
I realize some of these are subjective and might be considered nit-picking.
Are there any interior designs YOU consider to be “fails”? :huh:


 

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I agree with all points except you do not need to remove the third row headrest to stow the seat. Just lower the headrest all the way down.


We owned an excellent 2004 Ody, and thinking the 2018 would be essentially the same vehicle but newer, we purchased an ‘18 EXL-RES last May. Although it is true that in some important ways, such as improved handling, ride, safety features and others, the new model is an improvement, many changes in the interior design seem to be inferior.

These include:
--The front seats are narrower, less padded and thus less comfortable than those on the ‘04.
--The loss of many front area compartments for carrying or holding objects. Why no large pull-out under the passenger seat?
--Inside-the-door shelves that are spaced so that it is very difficult to reach the bottom one. The middle one gets in the way.
--The driver’s side seat belt is more difficult to reach.
--The display for the parking “BRAKE” is difficult to see, being at the bottom of the dash display. Why not place it at the top of the display? There is plenty of room there.
--The window sills are now shelf-shaped instead of tapered, making it more difficult to reach out of windows, especially the driver’s side window.
--With the third row seats down, the floor in the cargo area is not flat.
--The side pockets in the rear cargo area are not large enough to store the headrests when they are removed from the third row seats in order to stow the seats.
I realize some of these are subjective and might be considered nit-picking.
Are there any interior designs YOU consider to be “fails”? <img src="https://www.odyclub.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Huh?" class="inlineimg" />

 

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===== Never owned an Odyssey before but comparing our 2019 EX to our 2002 Sienna: =====


We owned an excellent 2004 Ody, and thinking the 2018 would be essentially the same vehicle but newer, we purchased an ‘18 EXL-RES last May. Although it is true that in some important ways, such as improved handling, ride, safety features and others, the new model is an improvement, many changes in the interior design seem to be inferior.

These include:
--The front seats are narrower, less padded and thus less comfortable than those on the ‘04.

Our 02 Sienna front seats are noticeably more comfortable than our 2019 EX. So I ordered this seat cushion from amazon to see if it improves the driver's side seat comfort. If worth it, I'll buy another one for the passenger side front seat.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JHMK1VY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

--The driver’s side seat belt is more difficult to reach.
Yes it is difficult to reach.

--The display for the parking “BRAKE” is difficult to see, being at the bottom of the dash display. Why not place it at the top of the display? There is plenty of room there.
At the top would make more sense, or even right above the parking brake button so a turned steering wheel wouldn't block the view.

--With the third row seats down, the floor in the cargo area is not flat.
I'm chalking that down to if they made the cargo area higher to be even with the 3rd row seats down, that would make the opened 3rd row seats that much higher and the designers opted for more headroom for 3rd row passengers. ... I purchased a piece of outdoor carpet to cover the entire cargo area with the 3rd row seats down (which they will almost always be in our case). Have not installed the carpet yet but it should make the lack of flatness a little less noticeable.

 

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Second row seats - the second row seats weigh a ton (as mentioned) and also don't fold flat for storage the way the previous model seats did. The sled for the second row seats sticks up about 5 inches, so when you need the entire back area for cargo, the floor goes up and down like a toilet seat. Forget the carpet. Cut a 5/8 piece of plywood to fit. At least the surface will be smooth and solid - albeit on a 15 or so degree angle.

Compass - there is no basic compass. Honda figured they could save what, $2 per car? Please!!! Even the most simple piece of crap on the market has a compass!! It's very handy for when you're travelling in new towns or cities. Not everyone has a cell phone with a data plan.

Disclaimer message - every time I start my van, the center display flashes a "Disclaimer" message that takes up the entire screen for about 20 seconds. Most annoying when you put the car in Drive and want to use the screen. It's like starting you PC or Mac and being forced to read the Software End User License Agreement each time. I consulted with my dealer. There is no way to shut the dam thing off.

Central vac - I can live without the central vac in the rear left hole. Give me more storage space instead. A central vac is bull**** gimmickry thought of by some idiot in the design department. If Honda wants to increase profits, give me my compass back and keep their stupid central vac!

Center console - you can load 4 x 8 sheets of "whatever" inside your van, until you reach the height of the lower edge of the center console. I sticks into the rear compartment by about 3 inches, preventing you from closing the rear hatch. This means the pile of "whatever" can only be about 2 inches high or about 3 sheets of 5/8 plywood. Make the center console even with both front seats so we can close the damn hatch with more than a few sheets of wood!!

No interior handle on rear hatch - in yet another nickel and dime operation, Honda decided to save a few dollars by not supplying an interior close handle on the rear hatch. You could argue that the handle is better placed on the bottom edge of the door skin for easier closing, but when you have a load sticking out of the rear hatch, the interior handle was convenient for tying the hatch down for short distances. Side note: some argue that driving with the hatch open a wee bit allows exhaust to come in. That's true when the front windows are open. Leaving them closed prevents exhaust from coming in to lethal levels. For short distances, its fine.
 

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We owned an excellent 2004 Ody, and thinking the 2018 would be essentially the same vehicle but newer, we purchased an ‘18 EXL-RES last May. Although it is true that in some important ways, such as improved handling, ride, safety features and others, the new model is an improvement, many changes in the interior design seem to be inferior.

These include:
--The front seats are narrower, less padded and thus less comfortable than those on the ‘04.
--The loss of many front area compartments for carrying or holding objects. Why no large pull-out under the passenger seat?
--Inside-the-door shelves that are spaced so that it is very difficult to reach the bottom one. The middle one gets in the way.
--The driver’s side seat belt is more difficult to reach.
--The display for the parking “BRAKE” is difficult to see, being at the bottom of the dash display. Why not place it at the top of the display? There is plenty of room there.
--The window sills are now shelf-shaped instead of tapered, making it more difficult to reach out of windows, especially the driver’s side window.
--With the third row seats down, the floor in the cargo area is not flat.
--The side pockets in the rear cargo area are not large enough to store the headrests when they are removed from the third row seats in order to stow the seats.
I realize some of these are subjective and might be considered nit-picking.
Are there any interior designs YOU consider to be “fails”? :huh:


Agree, if you owned a 2nd generation odyssey, (1999-2004), folding down the rear seat gave you a great "flat bed". Hauling 4x8 plywood and drywall, furniture, TV's, lumber, Ikea stuff, is so convenient. Which is why, I'm still running and repairing my 2001!

A friend of mine, would toss in a mattress, and take a "noon nap", during lunch break, then back to work. The "flat bed", so nice.
 

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Disclaimer message - every time I start my van, the center display flashes a "Disclaimer" message that takes up the entire screen for about 20 seconds. Most annoying when you put the car in Drive and want to use the screen. It's like starting you PC or Mac and being forced to read the Software End User License Agreement each time. I consulted with my dealer. There is no way to shut the dam thing off.

Central vac - I can live without the central vac in the rear left hole. Give me more storage space instead. A central vac is bull**** gimmickry thought of by some idiot in the design department. If Honda wants to increase profits, give me my compass back and keep their stupid central vac!

Center console - you can load 4 x 8 sheets of "whatever" inside your van, until you reach the height of the lower edge of the center console. I sticks into the rear compartment by about 3 inches, preventing you from closing the rear hatch. This means the pile of "whatever" can only be about 2 inches high or about 3 sheets of 5/8 plywood. Make the center console even with both front seats so we can close the damn hatch with more than a few sheets of wood!!
The disclaimer sucks. However, I'm sure Honda needed it to meet world wide safety requirements where certain countries require a warning to those special people who need it each time. It's like the 'Caution: HOT' warning. Like you have coffee once and don't realize it's always going to be hot. Common sense, out the window!

Central Vac from a rumor I heard was a daughter of one of the VP's ideas or something. It's cool, and I would argue not a lot of people use that spot. My wife runs daycare using our '11 Ody and I've never used it, just stuffed things in there until next full clean.

I agree with the Center Console one. This is completely crazy they didn't think these vans would be used to haul more than a few sheets. I ran into this with a few sheets of drywall a while back, was a pain.
 

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I agree with the Center Console one. This is completely crazy they didn't think these vans would be used to haul more than a few sheets. I ran into this with a few sheets of drywall a while back, was a pain.
Looks like we're on the same page, cyphon21 and izawa.

What the heck is wrong with these designers?? These simple features all come under the heading of "usability." A feature can work 100 percent of the time but still be a totally stupid and useless idea.

I'm probably showing my age here, but these dumb design ideas seem to come from people who have been raised in a computerized, sterile environmental bubble where they never had to create anything with their hands from scratch. I was raised in the 50s and had the standard number of toys for a child back then, but a significant amount of our spare time was spent building things with our hands. From that activity, we soon learned what worked and what didn't. Honda needs to start communicating with their customers to see what works and what sucks!!
 

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No radio tuning knob.
Yes, you can select programmed stations from steering wheel controls. Good luck selecting unprogrammed stations while driving. New Accord has such a knob...oh...wait...that's a more competitive buyer segment. Ok.

Driver's arm rest.

I see where the new Passport (?) has a lever or knob to control the arm's height. Guess $50k for a 2018 Elite wasn't quite enough to include that feature. I'm sure Toyota will fix that issue when the new Sienna hits the street.
 

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===== Never owned an Odyssey before but comparing our 2019 EX to our 2002 Sienna: =====



Our 02 Sienna front seats are noticeably more comfortable than our 2019 EX. So I ordered this seat cushion from amazon to see if it improves the driver's side seat comfort. If worth it, I'll buy another one for the passenger side front seat.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JHMK1VY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Yes it is difficult to reach.


At the top would make more sense, or even right above the parking brake button so a turned steering wheel wouldn't block the view.


I'm chalking that down to if they made the cargo area higher to be even with the 3rd row seats down, that would make the opened 3rd row seats that much higher and the designers opted for more headroom for 3rd row passengers. ... I purchased a piece of outdoor carpet to cover the entire cargo area with the 3rd row seats down (which they will almost always be in our case). Have not installed the carpet yet but it should make the lack of flatness a little less noticeable.

Hangman and Raptor 88,

Thanks for your comments and tips.
 

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Hodna,

Thanks for your comments. I really don't understand why Honda does not systematically ask for continuous feedback from its customers. If they did they would be keeping the features that work and are appreciated and would be omitting the features that consumers do not like. It seems to me that doing so would result in a very refined, near-perfect product. Instead it seems that they turn the design over to engineers and "artists" that have abstract ideas and who, as you say, have never had the kind of practical experiences that would guide them toward what "users" want and don't want. I realize that high-priced designers want to create something new and not just refine someone else's ideas. But c'mon, whar about what customers want?
(I wonder if the designers and engineers ever own, or even drive their creations? They likely own and drive Porsches or Mercedes). ;)
 

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Thanks Gen13Gent. I agree! I think there is so much pressure from a misguided management to add "features," that the practicality goes right out the window. For me, when I upgrade from my 2002 Odyssey to a 2018, I expect to see the same tools I had in my 2002 plus some really useful items that would make my life on the road easier. Instead, they give us a boat load of crap we don't need or want, and that doesn't even work right most of the time. These designers could easily become Canadian politicians!

Would it ever occur to these idiotic morons that the primary motive for me to buy a new Odyssey is NOT the fact that it can electronically babysit the brats in the rear seats but because my old 2002 Odyssey is simply worn out, too expensive to maintain, and getting rusty in a few places???????????? I don't need all this Millennial designed crapola. These designers need to get their heads out of their butt holes and wake up to the needs of the customers who pay their salaries.

As a side note, there is a ton of rear seating, electronic gadgetry available in these cars (not just Honda). Why are we loading our kids and grand kids into the van to feed them yet more electronic crapola outside the house? Aren't we trying to get them away from that environment to become aware of the world outside their addictive electronic game world!!?? Basically, they're going from the computer or TV in their houses to the outside world where they look at yet more electronic crapola. No wonder these kids know nothing beyond "how to save the princess."

Now, I'm just rambling :). What was the question (LOL):)!? Remember this cartoon from Gary Larson? This typifies the mentality of today's designers.
 

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(This is an updated post that includes additions {responses copied and pasted} by other forum members. Thanks for your additions, folks. Any more?)

Interior Design Fails:

We owned an excellent 2004 Ody, and thinking the 2018 would be essentially the same vehicle but newer, we purchased an ‘18 EXL-RES last May. Although it is true that in some important ways, such as improved handling, ride, safety features and others, the new model is an improvement, many changes in the interior design seem to be inferior.
These include:
--The front seats are narrower, less padded and thus less comfortable than those on the ‘04.
--The loss of many front area compartments for carrying or holding objects. Why no large pull-out under the passenger seat?
--Inside-the-door shelves that are spaced so that it is very difficult to reach the bottom one. The middle one gets in the way.
--The driver’s side seat belt is more difficult to reach.
--The display for the parking “BREAK” is difficult to see, being at the bottom of the dash display. Why not place it at the top of the display? There is plenty of room there.
--The window sills are now shelf-shaped instead of tapered, making it more difficult to reach out of windows, especially the driver’s side window.

--With the third row seats down, the floor in the cargo area is not flat.
(Additions to my post):
--5 ton second row seat when removing
--Second row seats - the second row seats weigh a ton (as mentioned) and also don't fold flat for storage the way the previous model seats did. The sled for the second row seats sticks up about 5 inches, so when you need the entire back area for cargo, the floor goes up and down like a toilet seat. Forget the carpet. Cut a 5/8 piece of plywood to fit. At least the surface will be smooth and solid - albeit on a 15 or so degree angle.
--Compass - there is no basic compass. Honda figured they could save what, $2 per car? Please!!! Even the most simple piece of crap on the market has a compass!! It's very handy for when you're travelling in new towns or cities. Not everyone has a cell phone with a data plan.
--Disclaimer message - every time I start my van, the center display flashes a "Disclaimer" message that takes up the entire screen for about 20 seconds. Most annoying when you put the car in Drive and want to use the screen. It's like starting you PC or Mac and being forced to read the Software End User License Agreement each time. I consulted with my dealer. There is no way to shut the dam thing off.
--Center console - you can load 4 x 8 sheets of "whatever" inside your van, until you reach the height of the lower edge of the center console. I sticks into the rear compartment by about 3 inches, preventing you from closing the rear hatch. This means the pile of "whatever" can only be about 2 inches high or about 3 sheets of 5/8 plywood. Make the center console even with both front seats so we can close the damn hatch with more than a few sheets of wood!!
--No interior handle on rear hatch - in yet another nickel and dime operation, Honda decided to save a few dollars by not supplying an interior close handle on the rear hatch. You could argue that the handle is better placed on the bottom edge of the door skin for easier closing, but when you have a load sticking out of the rear hatch, the interior handle was convenient for tying the hatch down for short distances. Side note: some argue that driving with the hatch open a wee bit allows exhaust to come in. That's true when the front windows are open. Leaving them closed prevents exhaust from coming in to lethal levels. For short distances, its fine.
--No radio tuning knob. Yes, you can select programmed stations from steering wheel controls. Good luck selecting unprogrammed stations while driving. New Accord has such a knob...oh...wait...that's a more competitive buyer segment. Ok.
--Driver's arm rest. I see where the new Passport (?) has a lever or knob to control the arm's height. Guess $50k for a 2018 Elite wasn't quite enough to include that feature. I'm sure Toyota will fix that issue when the new Sienna hits the street.

I realize these are subjective. Are there any additional interior designs YOU consider to be “fails”? Thanks.

 

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Gen13gent, there is the matter of the downward facing stem on a spare tire that requires an enormous amount of strength and maneuvering to get at. I've had my van for almost two years and have never checked the spare because it's just too hard to get at. I should just take it out and buy one of those instant spray sealing kits.
 

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Thanks, Hodna,

I'll ad this interior problem of the spare tire to my list and send all of this in letter form to Honda.

So strange, almost inexplicable, what Honda did (and did not do) to the new 5th generation Ody.

(Actually, you and some others have provided us with some pretty good reasons as to why so many problems exist with what should be the best Ody yet).
 

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Just let the spare go flat but keep it in the hole and add a can of flat-fix so you can put it on and air it up. If you get a flat you may have too big a hole or other damage that keeps you from just using the flat-fix on the original flat tire.
 

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Just let the spare go flat but keep it in the hole and add a can of flat-fix so you can put it on and air it up. If you get a flat you may have too big a hole or other damage that keeps you from just using the flat-fix on the original flat tire.
I'm wondering if using flat-fix on a normal tire would be a good idea, since I believe there is a tire pressure monitor inside of each normal tire.
 

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I'm wondering if using flat-fix on a normal tire would be a good idea, since I believe there is a tire pressure monitor inside of each normal tire.
I think the safest thing to do would be to keep a portable plug in style air compressor in the van so you can fill the spare tire if it’s flat when you go to use it.

In theory the mechanic should be checking the pressure every oil change. I’m not sure if that actually happens though.


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Just give yourself a reason of if you don't check under their there could be roaches inside

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