According to our local Honda online saleman, Kelley Blue Book is nothing but a car guide. If that is the case, Kelley Blue Book (KBB) would be a bad car guide. The pricing in KBB is off from the dealer pricing anywhere from $2000 to $4500. I tend to believe the KBB more than the dealer saleman. The KBB have been around for a while. If they do all the lying, I don't think they are in business til now. Atleast the KBB pricing is available to public, and dealer pricing system never been available to public. They don't even tell me how they get their pricing value when I requested. What do you think?