There are van on lots and waiting has come down. I seen lot of dealers who have the vans on the lot. Also here in charlotte the dealers have started to advertize in the newspapers about odyssey (that's a first) any chance of them selling below MSRP. Then again if one waits too long, Honda will increase their price. any input. Taking the best case scenerio, down the road the price will settle to $1k below MSRP, but nothing more than that.