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FYI, www.inseatmassage.com sells the signal mirrors and there are photos of a working system on the page.
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Rick
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Muth Signal Mirrors
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Group discounts are possible. The price I sell is well below MSRP so I don't know what I can do. The reason the price is low because I want Odyssey owners to be able to buy safety related accessories for thier vehicles. I sell the ROSS system and I am bringing out a tire pressure monitor. I have a 2 year old and a 12 week old. I want them to be as safe as possible in my Odyssey.
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Sorry, but your price is only a couple of bucks less than http://www.protruckoutfitters.com. I have one installed on my Odyssey and frankly, I don't think it's worth the price. The retrofit mirrors don't have shrouds (black plastic around the mirrors) and at high speed the wind turbulence around the mirrors would actually move the mirror thus distorting the view through the mirrors.
Their stick-on signal mirrors would be much more effective and problem-free for Odyssey.
What brand of tires presssure monitor are bringing out? If it's SmarTire system, I hope it's the second generation because the first generation display is way too big, I know because I have on installed on my other car.
Yes, I am quite serious. I have been communicating with Muth mirror for the past couple of weeks, their last email suggested that I make an appointment with one of their "approved" installer to have it check. I decided not to, because the problem is not the mirror itself, but the design of it. The mirrors are fine for city driving, no shaking or vibration. The problem occurs when you get on the freeway and every time you hit an uneven spot on the freeway, you'll see the mirror moves. Most OEM mirrors have shroud around the mirrors which I believe designed not only to cover the inside of the mirror housing but also for aerodynamic reason (preventing air to flow to the back of the mirrors at higher speed)<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nemogira:
hgani,
Are you serious? I was considering getting some for the Ody but after your explaintion...I don't know anymore.![]()
Can anyone else (w/ the mirrors) varify the shaking?
-nemogira
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I strongly recommend their wide angle signal mirror for these reasons:
1. You get better blind spot view.
2. The LEDs are more visible from the blind spot area then the retrofit mirror.
3. You won't have problems like I do.
4. A lot easier to install (I cracked my original passenger side mirror while removing it)
5. You can have HEATED mirror by replacing it with Canadian mirror.
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Harry
'99 CS EX
I almost agree completely with Harry on this issue with the possible exception of the vibration.
I have had my signal mirrors for well over a year. I too noticed the lack of a plastic frame around the glass and commented to Muth about this. Obviously they didn't see this as an issue. But it made me wonder why they left it off? Because of this I began to notice that many domestic cars do not have this frame either, perhaps its a cost savings and so they omit it.
I had the distortion problem on my first set of mirrors and did complain to Muth. They admitted to a QC problem and requested I return them, they sent new ones out immediately so I wouldn't be without mirrors. The replacements were far better with no distortion.
Harry is also correct in his appraisal of the removal process. Honda puts their mirrors on to stay! I too broke one of my OEM mirrors removing it. The Muth mirrors, by comparison, pop on and off far easier with little effort.
Here's where I see the vibration problem, I have examined this under several conditions and have noticed that at 80-90mph there is a definite vibration in the mirror. I can't remember if this was true for the OEM mirrors, perhaps someone who still hasn't replaced theirs can comment. But my feeling is the root cause of the vibration is attributable more to the mounting rigidity than the aerodynamics. I have rented numerous domestic vehicles without the frames and have not noticed the vibration at similar speeds.
Overall I would say Muth did a fair job on their design, however, it is not up to Honda standards. In fact I remember how disappointed I was when I first received them. I had expected these to be identical to the 1999 Ford Expeditions, these models had more LEDs comprising the arrows. Eventually Ford decided it was too expensive to equip their newer models with the Muth mirrors, so they incorporated a single lamp into the mirror housing.
I agree the wide angle stick-on version doesn't look as good as the model designed to replace the Ody's mirrors and yes its not perfect, but right now that's all there is out there.
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I have had my signal mirrors for well over a year. I too noticed the lack of a plastic frame around the glass and commented to Muth about this. Obviously they didn't see this as an issue. But it made me wonder why they left it off? Because of this I began to notice that many domestic cars do not have this frame either, perhaps its a cost savings and so they omit it.
I had the distortion problem on my first set of mirrors and did complain to Muth. They admitted to a QC problem and requested I return them, they sent new ones out immediately so I wouldn't be without mirrors. The replacements were far better with no distortion.
Harry is also correct in his appraisal of the removal process. Honda puts their mirrors on to stay! I too broke one of my OEM mirrors removing it. The Muth mirrors, by comparison, pop on and off far easier with little effort.
Here's where I see the vibration problem, I have examined this under several conditions and have noticed that at 80-90mph there is a definite vibration in the mirror. I can't remember if this was true for the OEM mirrors, perhaps someone who still hasn't replaced theirs can comment. But my feeling is the root cause of the vibration is attributable more to the mounting rigidity than the aerodynamics. I have rented numerous domestic vehicles without the frames and have not noticed the vibration at similar speeds.
Overall I would say Muth did a fair job on their design, however, it is not up to Honda standards. In fact I remember how disappointed I was when I first received them. I had expected these to be identical to the 1999 Ford Expeditions, these models had more LEDs comprising the arrows. Eventually Ford decided it was too expensive to equip their newer models with the Muth mirrors, so they incorporated a single lamp into the mirror housing.
I agree the wide angle stick-on version doesn't look as good as the model designed to replace the Ody's mirrors and yes its not perfect, but right now that's all there is out there.
[This message has been edited by hip (edited 04-25-2001).]
I saw Ford's new mirrors on an Expedition on a freeway a couple of nights ago, I must say that they are much more visible than Muth signal mirror.
I checked my in-law 2000 Odyssey mirrors and they too are "wobbly" but I had never noticed my OEM mirrors to move and distort the view in 2 years before I replaced it with Muth's.
Honda's mirror mounts are larger than Muth's and it would be in the way of the LED module, that's probably why Muth decided to replace the mount.
The OEM shrouds are glued onto the mirror and would require breaking the mirrors, trimming and glueing it back onto Muth's.
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Harry
'99 CS EX
I checked my in-law 2000 Odyssey mirrors and they too are "wobbly" but I had never noticed my OEM mirrors to move and distort the view in 2 years before I replaced it with Muth's.
Honda's mirror mounts are larger than Muth's and it would be in the way of the LED module, that's probably why Muth decided to replace the mount.
The OEM shrouds are glued onto the mirror and would require breaking the mirrors, trimming and glueing it back onto Muth's.
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Harry
'99 CS EX
I totally agree.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hip:
Nemogira,
For whatever its worth, if I had it to do all over again... I would go with the front fender mounted turn indicators, the same used in Europe and Japan. I prefer the look and think its as effective (IMO)</font>![]()
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Harry
'99 CS EX
Yeah, I really like those too but (like yourself) I do enjoy doing my own installs. For these we would have to drill holes in the Ody!<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hip:
Nemogira,
For whatever its worth, if I had it to do all over again... I would go with the front fender mounted turn indicators, the same used in Europe and Japan. I prefer the look and think its as effective (IMO)</font>![]()
As for the Muth mirrors - when driving home I noticed that the OEMs actually do vibrate when on the highway (80mph). So there doesn't seem to be any difference. Well maybe except that visiblity differences compared to the Expedition. What to do? What to do?
-nemogira
-nemogira
I agree. I think the fender side marker lights should have been an optional accessory for us (aka American Market).
stew-pit American honda!
Last year in china town I saw an asian family in their white Ody that has amber fender side marker lights. Boy did that Ody stand out from the crowd!
I guess that must be an aftermarket light from previous Accord. Im goin to get one with clear lamps in the future. Has anyone looked into it yet?
Oh yeah, btw, IMHO the clear bumper light is over kill and it makes the van look too funky!
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1999 EX
Granite Green
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stew-pit American honda!
Last year in china town I saw an asian family in their white Ody that has amber fender side marker lights. Boy did that Ody stand out from the crowd!
I guess that must be an aftermarket light from previous Accord. Im goin to get one with clear lamps in the future. Has anyone looked into it yet?
Oh yeah, btw, IMHO the clear bumper light is over kill and it makes the van look too funky!
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Granite Green
[This message has been edited by abyez (edited 04-27-2001).]
I fixed my distortion problem using the sticky stuff used to seal the vapor barrier behind door panel. I post the pictures at fototime.
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Harry
'99 Odyssey Pictures
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Harry
'99 Odyssey Pictures
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I used that stuff, too, and I don't know what it's called either. It's good stuff. I used it to seal up the baffles for my rear speakers.
For anything where you don't want the mess of working with it or want to be able to experiment with placement, etc., Poster-Tac or whatever it's called, does the same thing and is very easy to handle and is completely removable. And it's cheap and re-useable.
I don't use near as much Velcro for weird mounting problems since I first tried poster putty. It works well on just about everything. The only thing I've found that it sucks on is that you CAN'T MOUNT A POSTER WITH IT!!! Go figure.
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'01 MB EX-NAV Pics and Projects
Wow! You've been busy hgani. Great job on the video, deflector, and mirrors. So this pretty much solves all the shaking, right? Is it as securely fitted as before?
Also, I've been checking up on side marker installtions and here's what I found: http://www.autotoys.com/New_Tech/DIY_2000/Side_marker_lights/side_marker_lights.htm. Still scary...but possible, I think?
-nemogira
If you are adding side marker lights, be sure to choose the one that requires 1 hole (+/- 1") for the bulb/socket and 2 screws on the sides. The one that uses clips such as the one installed by autotoys will come loose by vibration.
I fixed only the Drive side mirror, I couldn't grab the mount on the Passenger side one, I'll need to buy a hook tool to dismount the mirror. (I broke my OEM mirror because of the curveness of the mirror)
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'99 Odyssey Pictures
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I fixed only the Drive side mirror, I couldn't grab the mount on the Passenger side one, I'll need to buy a hook tool to dismount the mirror. (I broke my OEM mirror because of the curveness of the mirror)
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Harry
'99 Odyssey Pictures
[This message has been edited by hgani (edited 04-29-2001).]
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