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So what is the best course for those who want both? Go with the Nav and install a third party Video system????
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by slocko:
So what is the best course for those who want both? Go with the Nav and install a third party Video system????</font>
You could install the aftermarket iVES on a Navi Odyssey, since the installation instructions (courtesy of Trevor's fine web site) have install details for both types-my assumption here is that the install would be essentially the same for a 2002 model. The only thing you would not be able to get is a factory DVD player (just the VHS player), which is apparently installed in the dash for the '02s. As always, there are trades, but that's part of the fun!

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We wanted both, and our dealer claimed he could install the same in-dash DVD player that we'd receive from the factory into the NAV model. Can anyone verify that this is possible. I'm not going to be happy if, after waiting 'till late Sept/Oct, he tries to sell me something with a DVD player shoved under a seat.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by slocko:
So what is the best course for those who want both? Go with the Nav and install a third party Video system????</font>
That's our plan. We had aftermarket audiovox systems in both our previous odys and they were great. The only drawback was placing the vcp. We put it under the fold down tray facing the rear. A little difficult to get tapes in & out, which will be cured by the I-VES system. We're losing the tv tuner, but we seldom used it anyway. Word is that the Honda system is made by audiovox.
We debated the DVD issue and decided that we did not want to reinvest in all the kid movies that they would only be watching for 2 , maybe 3 more years. We don't currently own any DVD's. Other than being larger the videos are fine for us.
We didn't want to shut ourselves out of a nav system and after pricing them decided factory was the best option. The Alpine system is around 3k.
Good luck with your choice.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PMcMullen:
We wanted both, and our dealer claimed he could install the same in-dash DVD player that we'd receive from the factory into the NAV model. Can anyone verify that this is possible. I'm not going to be happy if, after waiting 'till late Sept/Oct, he tries to sell me something with a DVD player shoved under a seat.</font>
Maybe try calling the parts dept of another dealership to verify what you've been told.
 

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What model(s) audiovox did you have?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 3odys4me:
That's our plan. We had aftermarket audiovox systems in both our previous odys and they were great. The only drawback was placing the vcp. We put it under the fold down tray facing the rear. A little difficult to get tapes in & out, which will be cured by the I-VES system. We're losing the tv tuner, but we seldom used it anyway. Word is that the Honda system is made by audiovox.
We debated the DVD issue and decided that we did not want to reinvest in all the kid movies that they would only be watching for 2 , maybe 3 more years. We don't currently own any DVD's. Other than being larger the videos are fine for us.
We didn't want to shut ourselves out of a nav system and after pricing them decided factory was the best option. The Alpine system is around 3k.
Good luck with your choice.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 3odys4me:
We debated the DVD issue and decided that we did not want to reinvest in all the kid movies that they would only be watching for 2 , maybe 3 more years. </font>
Just as a side note, you do have the option of recording all of your tapes or at least your favorites ones to vcd format. I don't know if the audiovox systems play vcd format, most dvd players do. Here is a link:

http://www.goterapin.com/store.html

I converted to dvd a year ago so I don't have that many kid tapes left. If it comes down in price I might get to convert my home video tapes to vcd format.
 

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You're so....2000! ;D

You can burn actual DVDs (including all the goodies; looping backgrounds, chapters, etc.) w/ the Pioneer A03 drive. Current G4 Macs have these built-in and billed as the 'superdrive' but you can purchase them separately for around $600.

If you go this route, you'll probably want to spend the $2K on an actual Mac, since the iDVD software is a 'NO-BRAINER' and is EXTREMELY powerful and easy to use in addition to the fact that the firewire ports will not only hook to any DV camera; but capturing happens in real-time and editing is quick and simple.

If you're like me and have a recent model Sony Hi-8 DV camera (w/ the exception of the TRV130) you can also:

(a) put DV (1 hour) onto HI-8 tapes
(b) put in regular 8 mm tapes & play them back (copy right onto the Mac HD)
(c) pass through a video signal from any source (ie, VCR, etc) to copy right onto your Mac HD

In this area, Apple is still kicking everyone's butts. The best PC alternative is the integrated superdrive/Pioneer unit that Compaq sells but you don't get near the level of ease and powerful software as Apple provies w/ iMovie and iDVD.

Biggest drawback; DVD blank media is still hovering at around $10 a pop! (yikes! Don't wanna make too many $10 coasters!)

[This message has been edited by nyvram (edited 08-08-2001).]
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nyvram:
You're so....2000! ;D

You can burn actual DVDs (including all the goodies; looping backgrounds, chapters, etc.) w/ the Pioneer A03 drive. Current G4 Macs have these built-in and billed as the 'superdrive' but you can purchase them separately for around $600.

If you go this route, you'll probably want to spend the $2K on an actual Mac, since the iDVD software is a 'NO-BRAINER' and is EXTREMELY powerful and easy to use in addition to the fact that the firewire ports will not only hook to any DV camera; but capturing happens in real-time and editing is quick and simple.

If you're like me and have a recent model Sony Hi-8 DV camera (w/ the exception of the TRV130) you can also:

(a) put DV (1 hour) onto HI-8 tapes
(b) put in regular 8 mm tapes & play them back (copy right onto the Mac HD)
(c) pass through a video signal from any source (ie, VCR, etc) to copy right onto your Mac HD

In this area, Apple is still kicking everyone's butts. The best PC alternative is the integrated superdrive/Pioneer unit that Compaq sells but you don't get near the level of ease and powerful software as Apple provies w/ iMovie and iDVD.

Biggest drawback; DVD blank media is still hovering at around $10 a pop! (yikes! Don't wanna make too many $10 coasters!)

[This message has been edited by nyvram (edited 08-08-2001).]
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Macs and Odysseys- a man after my own heart! Maybe there is a way to mount a Titanium Powerbook on a custom center console (with integral subwoofer)-it would even match my Starlight Silver paint. One can also consider a white iBook for those with the Tafetta White Odys. :) Seriously, I like your idea of DVD burning, and I have also been waiting for the media to come down in price. Then it's bye-bye videotapes, although I may have to quit my job to find enough time to actually do all the tape/DVD transfers. (I wonder if anyone has started a service like this yet?) Now I'm wondering how many mobile DVD players can also play VCDs-they can fit on CDs, so the cost issue goes away. You probably give up some fidelity, but I am not totally convinced that a mobile platform like a car is not the best place for true high end audio or video-higher quality components can help, but I think there is a law of diminishing returns in force here.


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I know you can do actual dvds but it's still too expensive and overkill for analog tapes. I agree if you have a digital video camera then you should look into the dvd route if you want to preserve the high resolution.

I just bought the sony pcr 110 Na na na na na!!!!!!
 

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While applauding it, Honda’s decision to force all us retro-grouches out of the digital stone age and into the DVD formatted world will mean a substantial investment for those with small children (5, 2, & 3d due in Oct.) and any sort of a sizable video library. At last count, I have at least 30 that I would like to convert and take on the road. I know the kids seem to concentrate on a few at a time, but that short list changes constantly and hey, I like to watch sometimes too.

There are a few problems with moving over to DVD (love the size, quality, gee-whiz features), IMHO, which is why I haven’t jumped on it till now:

Disney’s irritating release, then withdraw from the market policy means I can’t get many of the titles I currently own for another few years. There should to be some sort of discount for the upgrade like software title manufacturers offer.

The recording industries failure to reach critical mass in the titles offered on DVD, relegating you to watching only the newest releases or a Top 40 list of movies. I haven’t looked, but feel certain that “Once Upon A Potty” is not available on DVD just yet.

And why the heck do DVDs cost so much more than VHS movies?

A cursory search of the Net for conversion services turned up prices from $30 a pop http://www.savevhs.com/ on up. At this rate investing in a DVD recorder would be a good idea, though I’m certain that the technical limitations of installing this drive in an older PC without a very fast hard drive, BUS, or other transport mechanism like firewire, would soon obliterate any satisfaction gained in owning such a clever device. Also, I’m not sure who’s trunk Nyvram is buying his Pioneer DVR-A03s from, but another quick search of the Net found pricing on the order of $800, about 2 bills more. If Nyvram would kiss and tell on his excellent sources we’d all be much wealthier.

I know that the DVD player has AUX inputs, so I could hook up an external VHS player, but the thought of all the wires, AC/DC converter, and a loose VHS player in the van doesn’t make me very happy. I just hate to have winged myself in the foot by deciding on an ’02 model Odyssey, then be forced into the DVD format. Does anyone else out there have a reasonable solution for this small dilemma?

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Buy a mobile Video Cassette Player (VCP). It can be placed under a seat and bolted down. I selected a Sony, because of it's shallow mounting depth (see VideoNavi pictures in the Gallery). For power it comes with a cigarette adapter plug, but could be hard wired into another power source. Use standard RCA patch cables to connect it into your AUX input.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tnuckels:
A cursory search of the Net for conversion services turned up prices from $30 a pop http://www.savevhs.com/ on up. At this rate investing in a DVD recorder would be a good idea, though I’m certain that the technical limitations of installing this drive in an older PC without a very fast hard drive, BUS, or other transport mechanism like firewire, would soon obliterate any satisfaction gained in owning such a clever device. Also, I’m not sure who’s trunk Nyvram is buying his Pioneer DVR-A03s from, but another quick search of the Net found pricing on the order of $800, about 2 bills more. If Nyvram would kiss and tell on his excellent sources we’d all be much wealthier.
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Again, you will not gain in quality by copying your analog tapes to dvd format. So vcd will be fine. In addition to terapin there is software and hardware for the computer to produce vcds. I like the terapin because it's a standalone solution. Once upon a potty will look fine in vcd format.
 

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I should point out a couple of things:

(a) I'm not talking about converting VHS to DVDs. That's definitely a waste of time & money. You can buy a DVD for $15-$19 at most places w/ all the features (dolby surround, etc.) which you will lose w/ a vhs->dvd conversion.
(b) I still do not think it is possible to do a straight dvd->dvd conversion on commercial DVDs due to CSS protection (even though I do have a copy of DeCSS
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I'm talking about being able to take my library of 8mm tapes of my son (13-14 at this point) and copy them to the computer and then build a DVD out of them for my parents, grandparents, etc. setting up the chapters, backgrounds, etc. This is a way for me to keep their quality from degrading even more (they only date back to 1997..but that's long enough to lose some quality!) by being in a digital format and also an easy way to share them with anyone w/ a regular DVD player which you can now buy for under $100 at any Kmart, Target or Wal-mart (even Kroger in my neighborhood!).

Its definitely a labor of love to take something that I might never watch because of having to put the tapes in camcorder, connect the av to a tv input source, etc; to something that is searchable, looks good and takes up very little space.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ChadK:
What model(s) audiovox did you have?


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VOH 682 drop down tv/video monitor. The whole package consists of a vcp, tv tuner, filter, antenna, monitor and 2 infrared, cordless headsets. The audio was fed through the van's radio. The first system ran about $1500 installed by car audio specialists (who drilled a hole in my roof.) The second system was installed by circuit city (no hole, less money) for about $1000. Same systems both times. We had an audible, intermittent whine on acceleration with the first one, but I blame the dealer/installer more than the system and it wasn't intolerable (although it may be to some of you techy /audiophile /modifying types) But then again you could fix it yourselves! I just figured it wasn't as grating as a child whining.
I have considered coupling this monitor with the Honda IVES to gain a tv signal, but don't want to risk voiding my warranty. I suppose an aftermarket tuner could be added.
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Originally posted by slocko:
Just as a side note, you do have the option of recording all of your tapes or at least your favorites ones to vcd format. I don't know if the audiovox systems play vcd format, most dvd players do. Here is a link:

http://www.goterapin.com/store.html

Thanks for the tip. We're on the verge of taking a technological leap.
 

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Originally posted by nyvram:
You're so....2000! ;D

You can burn actual DVDs (including all the goodies; looping backgrounds, chapters, etc.) w/ the Pioneer A03 drive. Current G4 Macs have these built-in and billed as the 'superdrive' but you can purchase them separately for around $600.

If you go this route, you'll probably want to spend the $2K on an actual Mac, since the iDVD software is a 'NO-BRAINER' and is EXTREMELY powerful and easy to use in addition to the fact that the firewire ports will not only hook to any DV camera; but capturing happens in real-time and editing is quick and simple.

In this area, Apple is still kicking everyone's butts.

Biggest drawback; DVD blank media is still hovering at around $10 a pop! (yikes! Don't wanna make too many $10 coasters!)

You're a trip. I will own the fact that I am "so 2000." I'm a pioneer in the field of odys (having bought a '99) but not in technology like this. Hey, I can't even master this smilie icon thing. It's all about $$$$, and now that we're buying this '02 EXL NAV upgrading our entertainment format just became a lower priority.
I was Apple when Apple wasn't cool. We suffered from a severe lack of purposeful software and peripherals and put up with being regarded as the lunatic fringe of the computer world for years. We're a PC family now. So naturally it is preferable to have a mac for multimedia apps. Oh well, I'll have a cool car....
 
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