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Though I spent about 30 minutes looking through historical posts on the subject but I would really appreciate some quick wisdom. I want to add a large long/low profile cargo box to our Ody, with aftermarket cross-rails attaching to our EX stock rack. I noticed members talking about the Yakima Space Cadet, the Thule Excursion, and various other 'less expensive' products. Quality is the priority over price, and at 80-100mph on a cross-country venture I don't want to worry about the box going airborne
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Please attach any recommendations, including a installed picture if possible, part-numbers, and 'ballpark price', driving experiences. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY EFFORT IN THIS MATTER!!!

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Packasport System 90. I purchased one last year for our summer vacation. Fits like a glove on the EX roof rack with factory crossbars. No lift (according to Packasport) due to aerodynamic design. I had no problems with high speeds on a 3,000 mile trip. I did keep an eye on the rack and crossbars, but had no issues. It's expensive ($900.00), but also the nicest and highest quality.

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Excellent, I will look into it tomorrow online, thx for the info!


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Mikemas, did you just install the Yakima Packasport using the hardware provided? When I called Yakima and asked which of their cargo boxes can directly connect to an Odyssey factory rack, they said that none of them will. One would have to purchase the Lowrider towers and crossbars to attach the rails and then attach the cargo box to the Yakima crossbars.
 

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Eaglemtn,
Yes, I mounted directly to the factory crossbars. It is a close fit all the way around, (sides, front & rear rails, and opened tailgate) but it attaches and looks really good for a roof top carrier. I notice that Packasport has either merged with or been taken over by Yakima since I purchased mine, so maybe they are pushing the Yakima crossbars. I talked to Packasport at the time of my purchase due to the questions concerning the Honda crossbars. I was told the System 90 Packasport was totally compatible with them. They assured me that the unit was aerodynamically neutral and did not lift and had very low drag. I don't know if anything has changed on the carrier since I purchased, but it sure doesn't look like it. (other than the Yakima name) I may give them a call to see why their stance has changed. I have been pleased with the product, but dislike the different information being given. Also, when installing the Honda crossbars, I used Loctite on all the bolts after spacing and aligning them. My future plans are to manufacture a bracket to clamp over the crossbar and secure it to the rails as a redundant system.

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OdyRocky,

I also have an '02 Silver Ody. Spent quite a while looking at long boxes for our skis, snowboards and gear. Finally settled for the Thule Excursion for a number of reasons - pretty aerodynamic (never hear any wind noise) very well made, opens from either side etc. The real surprise; the Excursion (which is black and silver) looks great on top of a Silver Odyssey!
 

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Thanks again, actually I had my eye on the Excursion rack from Thule in black, which crossbars did you use? thx...


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Ody Rocky, I have a Yakima rocket box sitting on Thule racks, the racks have to be installed as close to front of the vans rails. Even with that the box sits to far back for the rear hatch to open. So I would get a flat bottom Thule box if I were you.
 

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Odyrocky - sorry about that, made a mistake in my earlier post. The Thule box we got is the evolution, not the excursion. Its got a black bottom and silver top, and comes in a few different sizes.

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Thx everybody for all the info....Jim, what length model Evolution box? Thx


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OdyRocky, we got the Evolution 1800. It fits perfectly on the Odyssey, and looks pretty good too. If you position it as far back as possible (so that the tail gate still opens fully) then the nose of the box is just far enough back that the windshield rake keep the box out of the windflow. I have had rooftop carriers before and heard windnoise - but there is none from this box.

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Ok, just placed my order for the 1800 with a buddy who manages a bike shop. Thanks everybody for the help, will have pictures after it's installed!


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I was also trying to decide what cargo box with the Odyssey. Starting with an LX, I had to decide whether to purchase the Honda rack and then attachments or a complete non-Honda rack system. I wanted a rack system to carry a long cargo box and possibly also canoes and bikes.

I decided on a Yakima rack system for two reasons

1. The stand-alone Yakima rack systems supported 165 lbs, but a Yakima system on the Honda roof rack would only support 100 lbs (Yakima's stated weight limit). I think this restriction comes from Honda since the manual states that only about 100 (110?) pounds should be placed on the roof rack. Yakima must have determined that their Q tower system which rests between the roof edge and where the Honda roof rack would be attached can support a greater load.

2. Purchasing a Honda roof rack and the appropriate attachments would be more expensive than just buying the complete Yakima rack system.

I purchased the Q towers along with the stretch kit. The stretch kit was required when using the long cargo boxes. The stretch kit increases the crossbar spread from about 24" to 36".

I bought the Spacecase 20 which is 92" long (20 cu ft). The Spacecase fits well on the Odyssey. The hatch can lift up completely without hitting the long cargo box. I haven't tried it yet on a road trip, but I'm sure if I encounter any problems, I'll post them to the forum.
 

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Question for eaglemtn. Do your Q towers fit on the front or sliding doors of the Ody and can you put the cross bars near the middle of the box? I too have ordered an Evolution 1800 for our 02 LX but am leaning toward the track and feet rack packages that both Thule and Yakima sell. They require drilling a bunch of holes in the roof but allow a wide range of bar placement. The feet are removable but of course the tracks are permanent. I do hate the idea of drilling holes in the roof however.

I've also looked long and hard for foot and crossbar packages that would mount directly to the existing studs where the front and middle supports of the Honda side rails are mounted. That animal apparently hasn't been born yet.
 

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fcatwo,

The Q towers attach to the roof edge above the sliding doors. The roof/door edge is about 1" lower at the front doors, so the Q clips (which attach the Q towers to the door/roof edge) wouldn't work on the front doors.

This limits the crossbar spread to about 24". That's why I had to purchase a Q stretch kit which allows the towers to be about 36" apart but the clips which attach the rack to the van fit within the sliding door opening. I needed a longer crossbar spread to use the long Yakima cargo boxes and to carry long canoes. I think the Thule boxes might not need as long of a crossbar spread (different design?), so you might not need the Q stretch kit.

I'm not sure if Yakima could have designed a different clip so that the front crossbar could attach by the front door opening. Maybe the attachment wouldn't be as solid.

I purchased a Yakima SpaceCase which is designed to attach to the crossbars in the middle of the box. You could probably vary where the box is attached to the crossbars by drilling new holes.

The front crossbar is positioned just a couple of inches behind the front edge of the sliding door. This allows the box to be mounted so that the rear hatch does not hit the box when opened. I think if the Honda rack was used, the box would have to be placed farther back and the hatchback would hit the rear of the box when opened. The Yakima spacecase is 92" long. The shorter boxes wouldn't have this problem - (If you consider the hatchback hitting the cargo box a problem).

Note that the Q tower system does not use the track on the LX that is designed for the Honda rock. The Q towers rest on the roof between the track and the outside edge of the roof. No drilling is required. For the Yakima system, if you install a track on the roof, you don't use the Q towers.

We recently used the rack/cargo box on a long trip and everything worked fine. No noticeable wind noise from the box and the box/rack were solidly attached.
 

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Taking Care of your Box!

I've had a Thule Weekender black box mounted on Yakima rails and towers on my 95Accord that I've used on occasional trips for many years. Here are some notes:
1) Although the Thule box is very nice, I've had some of the rivets to the hinges fail. Never load things too high and then use the box to squeeze them down! I fixed mine with small screws and bolts but it was a pain and delayed a trip departure.
2) My particular Thule box, in my judgement, is very quiet and nice (as boxes go) on the road.
3) If I take the box off but leave crossbars on the car, the crossbars hum very loudly. Crossbars of any sort can definately make a lot of noise.
4) Keylocks on the towers (if you use them) and the box give me a more relaxed feeling when I have to leave the vehicle with things in the box - and those occasions do come up when your traveling.

That's all I can think of! Question: Do any of you guys think the built-in rails (without crossbars) on the recent Odysseys add very much wind noise?

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LX Roof Rack possibility.

Regarding the noisy cross bar issue: Thule now has oval aluminum bar systems that could be quiter than their square bars. The aluminum bars are not interchangeable with Thule steel bar systems but are an option for those who do not already have racks.

I ordered a set from http://www.rackwarehouse.com and they look pretty nice. I'll let you know how they work out.
 

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..on the general topic of noisy crossbars

The Thule crossbars I mention above (on my Accord) are round. I don't think crossbar shape matters much (although it could be that oval is in fact quieter than square, a little..) I think crossbars (*without* the box, because the box changes the resonance pattern and can tame the hum) are just very prone to hum, witness the popularity of those wind deflectors (usually with a great big Yakima or Thule printed on them) that you see everywhere.

For me, the practical effect of the hum is that it makes me get busy and remove my rack right after a trip. I assume I'll remove the Odyssey's crossbars (If they ever build my Ody!) to reduce hum but first I'll listen, because with all the noise that a big van box moving down the highway will make, I might not notice it!

Hey, do you *get* crossbars on the EX???
-TarHeelGG
 
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