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Hooked up the G-Tech accelerometer and made a couple passes with our 2002 EX-L. Temps were in the mid 30's and roads were dry but covered with dried salt residue. As always it's all in the launch. On an empty tank I ran a 15.85 @ 93.5mph. After some 0-60 runs I filled up the tank and ran a 15.73 but forgot to write down the trap speed. The best 0-60 was 7.59 the worst was 8.11. The slower runs were a result of excessive wheel spin off the line. On that 8.11 run I also went the quarter mile and it came in at 16.03. Traction control hurts the times a bit. On a warmer summer day with tires up to temp I feel 15.7's would be the average norm.
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I read your post twice and I still can't figure out if you're being serious or not. You don't really think your minivan can run a 1/4 mile in under 16 seconds do you? I love the power in this van too, but it isn't that fast.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by George incleveland:
Hooked up the G-Tech accelerometer and made a couple passes with our 2002 EX-L. Temps were in the mid 30's and roads were dry but covered with dried salt residue. As always it's all in the launch. On an empty tank I ran a 15.85 @ 93.5mph. After some 0-60 runs I filled up the tank and ran a 15.73 but forgot to write down the trap speed. The best 0-60 was 7.59 the worst was 8.11. The slower runs were a result of excessive wheel spin off the line. On that 8.11 run I also went the quarter mile and it came in at 16.03. Traction control hurts the times a bit. On a warmer summer day with tires up to temp I feel 15.7's would be the average norm.
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The G-Tech is accurate to 1/10th of a second as long as it is completely level and properly zeroed out before making a run. I know C&D published an estimate time of a 16 second qtr mi but it was not a road test, just a preview, and results were "estimated". So to answer yes I am serious. 2002 Odyssey's are capable of sub 16 second quarter miles, I did it 3 times today and was very careful to level the G-Tech for each run.
 

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I can see it now:

Next test with drag slicks and all the TrickedOdy performance mods, and the 2002 breaks into the 14's with sub 6 second 0-60 runs!

George - You da man!

How about some breaking performance tests, also? Would love to know how the 4 wheel discs perform!
 

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The 2001 performance results I've seen suggest 1/4 miles times closer to 17 seconds. The fact that you achieved those results in 30 degree weather is even more dubious. Take it to the track this spring and if you can best 16.5 seconds I'll buy you a case of beer


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by George incleveland:
The G-Tech is accurate to 1/10th of a second as long as it is completely level and properly zeroed out before making a run. I know C&D published an estimate time of a 16 second qtr mi but it was not a road test, just a preview, and results were "estimated". So to answer yes I am serious. 2002 Odyssey's are capable of sub 16 second quarter miles, I did it 3 times today and was very careful to level the G-Tech for each run. </font>
 

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I am still amazed at how people treat this van. Yes, it is a VAN not a sports car! It is good to know we have the power when needed. I am jealous of all of you people that get to use you van for hauling bikes, etc. Mine is always over flowing with kids!

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Wow, 0-60 in 8 seconds--is this really possible for such a heavy vehicle? Also, with an empty tank it does a 15.85 1/4-mile, but with a full tank it does 15.73 seconds, huh? How can it be quicker with a full tank of gas? Maybe the 30 degree temp had an "intercooler" effect on air intake or something.
 

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Since you all have been racing the clock with your Odysseys, please PLEASE let me know if they pull to the right under hard acceleration, all the way down the track or just at launch. I posted a thread topic about this, but I have not gotten enough replies.
 

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I believe the power only goes to one wheel. Am I correct? That's why it pulls in that direction. I suppose if it had a positive traction front end it would pull straight. My little 88 Escort GT pulls in one direction when I get on the throttle. I think I'll drag the Escort against the Ody. Not really.
 

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Most fwd cars have "torque steer." It's more prevalent the more power the engine has (turbo fwds are notorious for torque steer). Both front wheels are getting power, but the half-shafts between the engine and the wheels can be a different length when the engine is mounted sideways. This can cause the car to "steer" towards the side with the longer half-shaft. I think equal-length driveshafts have been developed for sideways-mounted engines, but I'm not sure if the Ody has them.

It should be most noticeable at launch or on rough roads, and should not be noticeable at highway speeds. I haven't noticed it in my Odyssey yet, but then again I haven't floored it yet (just now coming out of break-in).

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I believe that those figures mentioned by George incleveland is about right. They said that the 2002 ody engines are identical with the Acura MDX (except it uses Premium unleaded). I think Motortrend or Car and driver clocked the MDX at 8.0 secs from 0-60mph. The Odyssey is slightly lighter, so I believe that it should be close or even better.
 

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MHELLMAN, You mentioned 2001 performance results. Are you aware that the 2002 Odyssey has 240hp compared to the 99-01 having 210hp? I don't know how much difference the 30hp makes. I don't really care about drag racing the van. I was just wondering if you were aware of the hp change.

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C&D has the MDX 0-60 times at 8.4 seconds. Motortrend has it at 8.1 seconds. There's only ~100lbs difference between the two vehicles. There are however lots of other differences (the engine is not identical). If I were a betting man I'd say the 2002 MDX is faster than a 2002 Odyssey.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rumbaoa:
I believe that those figures mentioned by George incleveland is about right. They said that the 2002 ody engines are identical with the Acura MDX (except it uses Premium unleaded). I think Motortrend or Car and driver clocked the MDX at 8.0 secs from 0-60mph. The Odyssey is slightly lighter, so I believe that it should be close or even better. </font>
 

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Thanks for addressing the torque steer issue, but I am looking for real-world test results. I drove my sisters '00 Ody, and it did not pull like mine does. Mine has a bit more power, but not that much.

Half-shaft length plays a minor role in torque steer. If you look at a FWD car with unequal shaft lengths, you will note that the longer shaft has a bigger diameter. This is to equalize the torque transfer characteristics. More important is the geometry of the front suspension. Where does the roll radius center intersect the tire contact patch, inside or outside wheel centerline? Is it equal side to side? VW/Audi front end on the Passat and A4 use a clever bottom ball joint set up to make the roll radius "virtual", and it's centerline changes as the wheel arcs through turning sweep. One of the very few FWD vehicles with no torque steer. Honda, why not copy Audi/VW?
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by voyager:
Wow, 0-60 in 8 seconds--is this really possible for such a heavy vehicle? Also, with an empty tank it does a 15.85 1/4-mile, but with a full tank it does 15.73 seconds, huh? How can it be quicker with a full tank of gas? Maybe the 30 degree temp had an "intercooler" effect on air intake or something.</font>
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It's just that particular run after I filled up was the best of the bunch. I had an excellent launch and that happend to be the best time of the 6 runs. Perhaps my G-Tech was in error, my worst run was in the low 16's. But it has always been dead on in my other cars. I have a 911 that runs 13.3 and an Audi A6 that runs 13.5 (twin-turbo, 6-speed modified to 320HP). Both the cars above have all-wheel-drive so times are consistant. I was carful to make sure everything was set up properly before making the runs in the Ody. I don't really care about hot rodding the Ody but since there are no official published times I thought I'd hook it up and see what happened. But nevertheless I think these times are fairly close and I do think that sub 16's should be the norm when we see road tests. MotorWeek tested a 2001 MDX and it ran a 7.6 0-60 and a 15.9 quarter mile. One could argue that MDX weighs more then an Ody because of the MDX's 4-wheel drive weight penalty. A quick search suggested a 60lb weight difference between the two, advantage Ody. One could also argue that the MDX's drivetrain has more significant horsepower loss because off the all wheel drive system, advantage Ody. I ran the same 0-60 as MotorWeek and only did 1/10th to 2/10ths better in the quarter mile...maybe because I had more power at the wheels and was 60lbs lighter? Hmmm... I'll stick by my numbers.

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George,

Thanks very much for putting your time and effort into the tests and then sharing your results with us.

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Maugham
 

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Thanks George,
I've been waiting months for C&D or Motortrend to do some actual testing instead of estimations. This thoroughly cemented in my mind that the Ody was about 8.0 seconds for 0-60. Just a quick question about the launch though. If I'm at a stoplight next to that 16 yr. old punk with with an inferior vehicle, should I floor the Ody and give all the juice at once or ease into the gas a little letting the rpm's build up and then floor it? What is the best way George and others? thanks, Dan.
 

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We have a new 02 Red Rock and I must say when the V-TEC kicked in at 4300 RPM it brought a smile to my face. Not quite as satisfying as out 97 Prelude, but still very nice. All we need now is a boat upgrade with the 225 HSP. 4 stroke outboard by Honda and well be set! That 225 outboard is based off the same 3.5 as the ODY's have.
 

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Yep, I'm aware of that. I wouldn't think it would drop a full second off 1/4 mile times though. There was also a transmission change that would definitely be relevant. I knew this vehicle was fast for a minivan...I just find it hard to believe that the Ody is THIS fast. We're talking Civic SI and V6 accord fast here. Everybody else seems to think so too though, so maybe it is?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 02EXLODY:
MHELLMAN, You mentioned 2001 performance results. Are you aware that the 2002 Odyssey has 240hp compared to the 99-01 having 210hp? I don't know how much difference the 30hp makes. I don't really care about drag racing the van. I was just wondering if you were aware of the hp change.

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