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For my 2007 Ody, just went to the dealer for the "soft brake" recall. Well, he says he can't do the fix cause my rear brakes need to be replaced. The pads AND the drums! This after these guys strip and clean the brakes every other service interval???

This is at 30,000 miles.

Bad news, I'm in Canada (i.e. 50K kilometers) and they want $450 to do the rear brake job.

I'm used to bending over at the dealers, but this goes above and beyond I think.

Is this typical for rear brakes?
 

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Do you mean rotors? Also, are they saying you need to refinish rotors or do you need new ones? Sounds like the dealer wants to make some cash but its not unheard of the oddy needing a brake job that soon as its a very heavy vehicle. Try getting a second opinion from an indy I guess?
 

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I doubt they "strip and clean" every interval. 30k for new rear pads is not unreasonable. Did they tell you how much pad was left? 2mm??
 

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No drums on the rear as mentioned - you have rotors.

Get the remaining pad measurement to keep them honest. 2 mm definitely replace. As for the rotors $$$, do you have any pulsing while braking? If so, you may have warping and replacement recommended. Seems a little early for new rotors.

As for not being able to perform the brake TSB without this additional work - I am not so sure until you reply with the pad thickness. Seems coincidental that the dealer would like to add this profit generating work to the warranty claim from Honda Canada...
 

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Sorry about the "drum brakes" issue. I always thought I had disk brakes, but I when I checked honda part prices, only "front disk" shows up in the catalog at CollegeHills Honda. Then I went to Bernardi parts and they list "front disk brake" and "disk, rr. brake drum in". I figured Honda must call these drum brakes (even though they looked like discs to me) and I didn't want to seem uninformed (obvious fail ).

On a "B" maintenance minder, the dealer does "service front and rear brakes". The car is on the hoist, the wheels are off (tires and alloys).

Dealer said rotors are too thin and rusted so they can't be turned. If I really wanted, they would turn them, but many customers experience unacceptable results.

I don't enjoy working on my vehicle, but I think that's about to change. Air filter and pollen filter just set me back $100.35 in parts, $10.53 labor. (I'll order US parts)

So original question "rotors after 30,000 miles?". One vote for its a heavy car. (and I agree with pads after 30,000)
 

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...Get the remaining pad measurement to keep them honest. 2 mm definitely replace. As for the rotors $$$, do you have any pulsing while braking? If so, you may have warping and replacement recommended. Seems a little early for new rotors.
no pulsating.

thanks. (deep down I probably I knew I needed crawl under the car and get out the measuring instruments :( )

Early for new rotors - my driving habits? or defect? or just replace with OEM? or what? (after I measure of course)
 

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I've seen rotors go bad within the 30,000 mile range once before, but it was the front rotors, and the person constantly drove with both feet on both pedals! Wore the pads down 3x's within 25k miles, and the rotors were warped-to-crap!

Anyhow, replace the pads/rotors yourself. It'll save you a TON of dough!

After they're replaced, take the van to a shop and have them check the tension on the Emergency Brake Cable. I'm thinking maybe it is too tight and wearing the pads/rotors down prematurely.

If the tension is okay, then you may have a problem somewhere in the hydraulics.
 

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Early for new rotors - my driving habits? or defect? or just replace with OEM? or what? (after I measure of course)
The only thing I can imagine for "bad driving habits" is that you were driving with the e-brake lever pulled up. It could have been either fully engaged, or partially. That would definitely cause the rear brakes to quickly wear down.
 

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Isn't the parking brake a small shoe/drum setup in the rear pad/disc brakes?
 

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Isn't the parking brake a small shoe/drum setup in the rear pad/disc brakes?
You may be correct. I wasn't sure though. I have the parking shoe thingy's on my 1st gen ody.
 

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update: thought I'd try doing my own brakes so I ordered rotors and pads.

When I got the wheel off, there was 5 mm of pad left and 10.5 mm of rotor. Service manual says you need at least 1.6 mm and at least 9 mm of rotor. So I'm thinking I'm OK till the end of the summer. IMHO the dealer should have done the brake recall fix and said I'd need a brake job in the next few months.

I've also got a complete 2007 service manual for about $60 on sale, wheel chocks for $20, piston depressor for $5 (my thumb worked just a well), and a spare set of rotors and pads :D

Also speaking with a Honda parts guy in Ohio, he said that in places that have winter, rotors don't wear out but that they will rust out. Not unusual to replace rotors when changing pads.
 
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