Hmmmm, I'll have to go look. So there's no way to caulk it or anything?<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The problem is that the white panel itself is not much large than the speaker and does not seal itself to the cavity. Both the gap is irregularly shaped, so there is no obvious way to seal it.</font>
Yes, I know of what you speak. What orientation do you have the horn turned? To minimize this affect, turn the horn so that its long axis is oriented AWAY from your ears. That may help, some.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cymro:
The only shortcoming was that there seemed to be a resonance around 1 -2 kHz which gave a honking sound to the music. I found this annoying on classical music with strings or woodwinds. On speech, and on pop music, the effect was not very noticeable.
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It sounds to me like you need something better than the price range you are looking. You sound like you are more discriminating, and I'd recommend you look higher up for better sound.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
They seem to be slightly less honky than the Pioneers, bit I still want to do better.
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The clay like caulking material I spoke of; works well, and can be formed by hand. Another (messier, and smellier til it dries) option is using silcone window sealant. I use this stuff in speaker boxes all the time....<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
If I could seal the gap, I think the bass would come back, but I haven't thought of a way to do it.
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I think you speak more of a characteristic sound of the speaker, and the horn's beaming effect at frequencies too low for its flare.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
On the fronts, I am guessing that the honking sound is a resonance effect. It may be the echo from the outer door panel. The spacing is just about right to give resonances in this frequency band.
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One other thought I had is that the original rain shield that I have partially cut away masked about half of the rear of the speaker. Could it be that it also had the effect of breaking up the resonance?
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Getting good sound in a car is ALOT harder than getting it at home. I'm still working on it and am still VERY VERY far away from "getting closer to perfection". If you are serious about getting better sound in your Ody, start by giving your self a good chance. Spend some good dough on front speakers. I mean $350+ for a front set. That's the realm I think you need to be in if you can discern the things you are writing and can talk the talk you do.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
I hope someone can help get me closer to perfection.
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Most definitely. I'd double check that first.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SoFlaOdyssey:
1) Make sure the speakers are wired in phase with each other.</font>
Phase coherency left and right is critical. Front to rear is another story. You may actually get better mid-bass response if you wire rears out of phase relative to fronts. See "Speaker Phasing" thread by Dorhn for his experiments with his 6x9s. Not apples to apples here, but something to consider. You don't know until you try.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SoFlaOdyssey:
1) Make sure the speakers are wired in phase with each other.
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I'm a bit skeptical of this solution, but you sure could give it a try if you want. Can't hurt, and may even smooth out the bass response a litte....<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
2) You could try filling the area behind the speakers with "polyester fiberfill."
They sell this stuff in Crutchfield and other places and this should help isolate the
back wave from the front wave of the speaker.
If these waves are not isolated from each other, like they would be in a box or when mounted on the rear deck of a car, they can cancel each other and reduce (or eliminate) your bass output.
Good luck!!
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Some people in this forum have tried the baffles in the rear in the '02s to see if they help with bass response. The consensus was that they made it worse.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Papamonty:
DAL,
By any chance, have you tried your rear speakers with or without the baffles? I am no expert, and I do not want to upset any experts, but it seems to me that the the rear speakers would sound better with baffles just a few inches longer than the length of the speaker. I would guess that your front speakers needed a little bit of space, as opposed to a large or minimal space, behind the speakers to sound good. What do you think?
Jon M.
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I too think this honkyness more a characteristic of the speaker itself than a resonance.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cymro:
The only shortcoming was that there seemed to be a resonance around 1 -2 kHz which gave a honking sound to the music.
With the 1695s in the rear, the bass sound that I had heard in the front was not there.
The problem is that the white panel itself is not much large than the speaker and does not seal itself to the cavity. Both the gap is irregularly shaped, so there is no obvious way to seal it.
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