Someone w/ a 2002 Helm Manual (darelldd)

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cmmeyers

Discussion Starter · Sep 19, 2001

I have a question about a bolt on the engine cover.

Open the hood and the engine has a big black plastic cover over it. One of the bolts that holds it in place does not seem to screw into anything. It is the bolt at the bottom left (toward the front of the vehicle on the passenger side). I lifted the cover up a little and there doesn't seem to be anyplace for that bolt to screw into, but I don't like the fact that the cover can lift up there a little bit/vibrate.

Does the Helm manual say anything about that screw?

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darelldd

· #2 · Sep 20, 2001

C.M. -

I'll try and remember to take a look at the manual when I get home. I don't have a van to correlate it with yet, but I'll see what I can find. My guess is that this cover would be the same as on the '01, so maybe somebody else may know...?

- Darell

Razorback

· #3 · Sep 20, 2001

From the pictures I saw on www.hondanews.com, the cover *has* changed with 2002.

Greg

cmmeyers

Discussion Starter · #4 · Sep 20, 2001

Anyone else out there with a 2002 care to take a look under the hood and see if theirs is the same?

darelldd

· #5 · Sep 20, 2001

Well, something has occurred that should be impossible. I have misplaced my Helm Manual. Now, my house isn't THAT big, so it's gotta be here somewhere. I wasn't this scattered until we had our daughter, so I'll blame her for now. Soon as I find the thing, I'll look it up....

- Darell

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sa9651

· #6 · Sep 20, 2001

You don't think Cocoa-puff or Rocket munched it down, do you?

darelldd

· #7 · Sep 20, 2001

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Ok, after a complete tour of the house, I've located the manual...now, finding info about that plastic cover...what would you be attempting to do when taking the cover off? Is this the intake manifold cover? It has four bolts, and they all seem to have threaded holes under them. Doesn't seem to be an entry in the index for "missing threaded hole in plastic engine cover."

For '02, I can tell you that there is an additional ignition coil cover, but I'm not sure how much more help I can be without the actual car here.

- Darell

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darelldd

· #8 · Sep 21, 2001

Here's Michael's shot of what he's talking about. Can any other '02 owner check it out and see if that cover should have a place for the screw? The manual doesn't help at all in this situation.

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2002 Ody EXL-Nav (TW) ordered
2001 Civic EX

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Maugham

· #9 · Sep 21, 2001

Service Manual Pgs. 5-2, 9-3, and 9-9 suggest that there is a threaded hole on a flange protruding from the front intake manifold chamber.

It appears that the flange is the same for all four bolts in the manifold cover.

To remove the manifold cover, loosen the four bolts. That should expose the flanges.

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Maugham

"I plan to live forever. So far, so good"
'02 RP EX-L due 10/17
'85 Prelude that we'll keep!
'01 Ninja folding aluminum scooter
'00 New Balance model 658 shoes

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darelldd

· #10 · Sep 22, 2001

Right you are. The diagrams on pgs 5-2, 9-4 and 9-9 clearly show that the front, passenger-side screw in question should be threaded into a flange on the "front intake manifold chamber."

Micheal, if I were you, I'd just all four 6x1 mm bolts out and try and find out what's wrong with your flange. The bolts are replaced with a torque of 8.7 lb-ft....which isn't much!

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2002 Ody EXL-Nav (TW) ordered
2001 Civic EX

cmmeyers

Discussion Starter · #11 · Sep 24, 2001

I figured it out.

The shaft of the bolt in question is broken. Half is still threaded into the flange, and the other half is spinning freely in the hole in the cover.

Thank you all for you help. I'll stop by the dealer on the way home to get a replacement bolt.

Maugham

· #12 · Sep 24, 2001

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cmmeyers:
The shaft of the bolt in question is broken. Half is still threaded into the flange, and the other half is spinning freely in the hole in the cover.</font>

It might be worth it to have the dealer's service department look into why the bolt broke. It could have been just a bad bolt or it could point to some other problem.

Regards,

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Maugham

"I plan to live forever. So far, so good"
'02 RP EX-L due 10/17
'85 Prelude that we'll keep!
'01 Ninja folding aluminum scooter
'00 New Balance model 658 shoes

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darelldd

· #13 · Sep 24, 2001

I agree. Don't just get a new bolt. Have the dealer remove the broken threaded portion as well to see why it's stuck in there. The hole may not have been threaded all the way through or something.

Glad you figured it out...I could tell it was bugging the boogers out of you

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2002 Ody EXL-Nav (TW) ordered
2001 Civic EX

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cmmeyers

Discussion Starter · #14 · Sep 24, 2001

What really ticked me off is that I didn't discover it until I got home.

When we went to pick up the van, everything was open including the hood. There were about 6 salesmen buzzing around it because it was the first 2002 model that they had seen up close and personal.

After a quick peek at the engine, I closed the hood to do a paint inspection since our van is Starlight Silver. I didn't open the hood back up to look around until I got home, and that's when I noticed it.

darelldd

· #15 · Sep 24, 2001

Heck, if all you missed was one hidden broken bolt in a plastic cover...consider yourself in GREAT shape.

I'm still wondering if my van truly was ordered back in August. Not a scrap of info from my dealer yet...

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-= Darell =-
2002 Ody EXL-Nav (TW) ordered
2001 Civic EX

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