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Greetings, first post from a log-time lurker. I can’t express enough gratitude to pay back everything I’ve learned from the collective wisdom of this community.

Just this weekend, in fact, I read about other members’s experiences with changing air filters, spark plugs, serpentine belt, front brake pads and rotors, flushing the brake lines, and even swapping out the power steering pump...and then went and did all those projects for myself. My 2010 EX-L @ 158k miles seems quite pleased with all the attention. :)

I’ve not yet done the timing belt service, and I assume it wasn’t done before I bought it used in 2014 @ 60k miles. It’s beyond my ability to do it in my driveway, and even if it were, I’m a slow worker and can’t risk being the shade tree mechanic who took the wife’s daily driver out of service for a week or more.

Here, then, is my question: Does this community have a handle on the frequency of timing belt failures in the field? I understand that it’s on the recommended service schedule and failure of the belt results in motor death when the pistons kiss the valves, but ... how often have failed timing belts actually killed Odysseys? I see a lot of late 3G and early 4G vans on the road, surely they haven’t all had the timing belt service....or have they?

I’ll likely sell this van just last our eight year mark, in early 2021 with around 170k on the clock. If it’s a reasonable gamble, I’d like to avoid a major service expense. But if I’m truly playing with loaded dice every time he van leaves the driveway, I’d be inclined to bite the bullet and get the timing belt serviced.

Thanks for any advice you can offer!
 

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So many variables. If you live in a moderate to cold climate I believe you get more wiggle room than say super hot like the southwest. Also, time probably impacts the belt itself more than miles alone, but the key is that every component that typically gets replaced along with the belt are capable of taking out the belt if they fail. A seized water pump? BAM the belt is toast. Same thing for an idler or tensioner pulley. If the hydraulic tensioner fails and the belt jumps time the result is the same. SO, are you feeling lucky, punk? ??
 
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So many variables. If you live in a moderate to cold climate I believe you get more wiggle room than say super hot like the southwest. Also, time probably impacts the belt itself more than miles alone, but the key is that every component that typically gets replaced along with the belt are capable of taking out the belt if they fail. A seized water pump? BAM the belt is toast. Same thing for an idler or tensioner pulley. If the hydraulic tensioner fails and the belt jumps time the result is the same. SO, are you feeling lucky, punk? ??
You're absolutely right. In my business we try to isolate workloads into "failure domains." Tensioners and idlers are one thing, but I can't help thinking that the J35A7's dependency between the timing belt and the water pump is a poor shot in an interference engine.

So.....now that we've both spoken the liability out loud, I'd better err on the side of superstition and schedule the service.

What has the community - or yourself - seen as the cost professional timing belt service?

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Yeah everyone focuses on the belt itself, but other components factor in and rarely does an engine that jumped time get torn down to investigate the real cause. The high mileage car gets scrapped or they drop a used motor in without caring what really happened. Just had one in the other day, TB changed at 217K (2nd time) and toasted engine at 241K. Don't know if all the related components were done, but the lady that owns the car said her ex set up the service and is well versed on Honda. The sticker under the hood said Aisin, so the right parts were used assuming they did the whole kit and didn't skip anything.

Most report in the $800-$1,000 range here for the TB kit and labor. If you can find a good independent or dealer tech who likes to do side work and will let you supply the kit get the Aisin kit on rockauto.com for $180. My guy (side work) charges me $200 labor, but I always give him $250 because I think he's too cheap for his own good. For those who do them at 105K as prescribed the spark plugs are changed at the same time which will add $3-400 parts/labor which is why you will often see $1,100 - $1,500 reported for the full 105K service.
 

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I went 192K on the original TB on my 2001. Looked fine on removal. I never changed any of the other components. Van was hit and totaled at 254K.
 

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I went 192K on the original TB on my 2001. Looked fine on removal. I never changed any of the other components. Van was hit and totaled at 254K.
When you say other components, do you mean the water pump, idlers, tensioners...?
 

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I went 192K on the original TB on my 2001. Looked fine on removal. I never changed any of the other components. Van was hit and totaled at 254K.
Yeah I get people in my shop all the time bragging about how they have skipped all the recommended service on numerous cars and got 250K+ out of them so save the speech... You can always find that dude who is 95 years old, been smoking since he was 12, drinks whiskey daily, and is still going strong. BUT on average habits like that end up like my buddy found dead 3 days shy of his 48th of a heart attack. Cigars, bourbon, and 5-10 350 lbs are the equivalent of ignoring service intervals on your car. Just because you got lucky doesn't mean everyone will. I get calls frequently in the 140-150K range with toasted motors. Just sayin...
 
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I had the timing belt service done at a dealer, but their "standard" package using "standard" honda kits for the service did not replace any of the pulleys. Sure enough, about 20k miles after the timing belt service, one of the pulleys failed. We went straight to the dealer and luckily got there before the belt melted through. The stress on the system caused the timing to jump a cog on the belt so when they re-did the service this time with the tensioner and pulley kit added in, they had to fix the timing issue. After the failure, the mechanic told me I was probably a minute or two of run time away from the belt failing and subsequent motor teardown/rebuild.

On my next Ody I had the timing service done just after 100k, and made sure this time they replaced the tensioner and pulleys at the same time.
 

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Replace everything behind the timing cover. It's just not worth that kind of hassle.
 

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I'm curious why a dealer would replace a timing belt and not the pulleys. Sounds kind of shady to me. If I were you I would find another dealer.
 

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They all do that. That's how they quote the low price of $800ish. Sometimes they don't even replace the tensioner. If you want it all changed its close to $1000-1200. That's why you're better off with an independent shop and an Aisin kit.
 

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Back when we had a couple of 2nd generation vans the dealer would never even quote the tensioner at drop off and always call and say it needed changing. Neither of those vans got new bearings or idlers on the first timing belt change. My 02 got the entire Aisin kit with it's second timing belt. The 03 got whatever the dealer did for the second. That one is still running around at 300k.
 

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My, new to me, 2010 EX-L I picked up a few weeks ago now with 166k on it. A few days after I bought it, I went through the CarFax and called all the places where the van was serviced. No one could tell me if the timing belt had been changed because it was not listed on the report. Last week I ordered the AISIN kit and found a local shop. For $517.00 in labor it was replaced today, serp belt also. Here is the original timing belt.
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Wow! That TB was literally hanging by a thread. You were indeed lucky that it held together.

Also, kudos to you for getting on it so promptly after purchase. Some might have been distracted by the lure of the van's novelty.

Enjoy many years of driving the new van. :)
 

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You definitely got lucky! Somehow, from what I've seen, it appears that mileage DOES affect the belt more than age. Although, of course, age matters too.

My tensioner was completely shot earlier this year (13 years old, 82K miles). I'm serious when I say the belt looked brand new.

I didn't replace the original timing belt on my Toyota Camry until it was 16 years old and had 81K miles, but the engine on that is non-interference. I forgot to ask my mechanic about the condition of that belt but he would have said something to me if the belt was cracked like yours.
 

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Wow! That TB was literally hanging by a thread. You were indeed lucky that it held together.

Also, kudos to you for getting on it so promptly after purchase. Some might have been distracted by the lure of the van's novelty.

Enjoy many years of driving the new van. :)
The 2010 EX-L is a huge upgrade from my 05 EX and I kinda knew what I was getting in to. When I was at the dealership checking things over before I bought it they couldn't tell me shit. Based on that it may not have been changed was a huge part of my haggling over the price. :) So it was top priority after I bought it. I got them down about $1200 and got TTL and the extra paperwork fees thrown in to boot.

What really ticks me off is that the dealerships don't give a shit, just sell it. If someone else had bought it, they'd probably be sitting at the side of the road, friggin dealerships.
 

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The 2010 EX-L is a huge upgrade from my 05 EX and I kinda knew what I was getting in to. When I was at the dealership checking things over before I bought it they couldn't tell me shit. Based on that it may not have been changed was a huge part of my haggling over the price. :) So it was top priority after I bought it. I got them down about $1200 and got TTL and the extra paperwork fees thrown in to boot.

What really ticks me off is that the dealerships don't give a shit, just sell it. If someone else had bought it, they'd probably be sitting at the side of the road, friggin dealerships.
Hey, right, I remember you mentioning needing a newer van for ridesharing, I think. What ended up happening to your 05, did you sell it? Curious why you think the new van is such an upgrade, just because of the leather?

The dealer wouldn't have been able to tell if the belt was changed or not unless they took the whole thing apart, which would have cost them a lot of labor money. There's no guarantees when you buy a car with 166K miles on it, so the buyer is responsible for making sure the maintenance is up to date --- the dealer only cares if the car is functioning at the point of sale, which the car fits even with a worn timing belt. Shame on the previous owner for not following the maintenance schedule!
 

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Hey, right, I remember you mentioning needing a newer van for ridesharing, I think. What ended up happening to your 05, did you sell it? Curious why you think the new van is such an upgrade, just because of the leather?

The dealer wouldn't have been able to tell if the belt was changed or not unless they took the whole thing apart, which would have cost them a lot of labor money. There's no guarantees when you buy a car with 166K miles on it, so the buyer is responsible for making sure the maintenance is up to date --- the dealer only cares if the car is functioning at the point of sale, which the car fits even with a worn timing belt. Shame on the previous owner for not following the maintenance schedule!
Still have the 05, have to fix a speed sensor issue then up for sale.

Yeah, leather (and the seats are more comfy), moon roof, power tail gate, heated seats, less miles, (285k on the 05) and I like the rims more so than the 05.

Well, I feel that their service dept could have peeked at the timing belt. I seem to recall reading on this forum somewhere that you can see the belt without having to tear everything apart but I could be wrong. It would have been obvious just by looking at it that it needed changing and either done the service or priced it accordingly letting the purchaser know that it was bad. But I agree too that the PO should have kept up with the maintenance. And, yeah, dealerships. :)
 
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