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I posted this in my other “welcome” thread, but wanted to post it here also.



I just stumbled on a 2018 with 40,000 miles for $25k. I’m going to look at it tomorrow. What do I need to “watch out” for? Anything to give a check over more than just making sure it is what it seems to be? I’ve seen chatter about 9 speed vs 10 speed tranny, VCM, and other 2018 issues. What do I need to look at?

I’ve seen the carfax. No accidents, no airbag deploy, no flood/fire/salvage etc. it’s a former lease vehicle. The salesman Ispoke with said starting in March, fleet vehicles are all now coming out with “major damage” attached to them to cover the parent company’s butts if it shows up with a small ding. Pics look clean as a whistle. It seems believable, but I don’t want to be taken for a sucker either. On the carfax, The “major damage”is listed as “disclosed by seller upon visual inspection”.

I might be buying this tomorrow - steer me right!
 

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What trim?
 

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Something smells fishy about the "major damage" line. I sure wouldn't want to be stuck now holding a car that said "major damage" on the carfax. You don't think the dealer would use that against you if you were trying to trade it in? Just seems odd. If you are serious I would have it checked out by an independent body specialist to make sure it is ok. Good luck in your purchase. Go with your gut, if something seems off, then it is usually right.
 

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I would agree with the above comment. "Major Damage" is s red flag and would reflect why it is priced below market value. Something is fishy here as a small ding would not be flagged as Major Damage.

This is from Carfax...
Damage Without an Accident: Not all damage is from an accident. It could include damage of all severities. The damage could be from incidents such as backing into a pole, having a tree limb fall on the car, or other events. When considering a damage report, it’s important to remember that minor damage may be only cosmetic; it may be noted that way in the Carfax report.
What Shoppers Should Do
If you’re thinking about buying a used car, of course you should check out the Carfax Vehicle History Report. Beyond that, ask the seller about any damage to see how their response lines up with the information you’ve already got. Ask for documentation on the repairs and find out if there’s any warranty protection for the work done. Don’t hesitate to use the damage as a bargaining chip in your negotiations over price.
Before you agree to buy a car, make sure a mechanic you trust goes over it, not only to check that damage was repaired correctly, but to ensure that there’s not some mechanical issue that could cost you money. These kinds of inspections usually cost around $100, but what they find is often well worth the cost.
 

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EX-L trim, black on black

I’m also a little hesitant, but the story seems to add up. I’ve asked him for documentation to back up his story. TBH - I’m not worried about resale value as I intend on driving it forever.
 

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I would think about why a Fleet vehicle would be listed as "Major Damage" when there is no damage or just a ding?
Why would a company want to get less for a vehicle they are trying to sell?
Why would they fraudulently claim the vehicle had Major Damage?
Why would a dealer want to sell a vehicle for less because it is flagged "Major Damage" when they could get more for it if it wasn't?

Something doesn't add up here.
 

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EX-L trim, black on black

I’m also a little hesitant, but the story seems to add up. I’ve asked him for documentation to back up his story. TBH - I’m not worried about resale value as I intend on driving it forever.
Keep in mind that if you are in an accident and need to make a claim the insurance adjuster is going to see that the vehicle had previous "Major Damage" and use that against your valuation of the van also.
 

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I hadn’t thought about that aspect... I also can’t find anything online about what this guy is saying. I’m getting more skeptical....

I’m still thinking of taking a look at it tomorrow, but definitely would take it to an independent mechanic before I do anything.
 

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As they say, it never hurts to look.
And make sure anything the salesman or dealership tells you is in writing to cover your butt.
 

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EX-L trim, black on black

I’m also a little hesitant, but the story seems to add up. I’ve asked him for documentation to back up his story. TBH - I’m not worried about resale value as I intend on driving it forever.
EX-L trim on 2018 has the 9 speed transmission, which is more prone to failures than the 10 speed found in touring and elite in 2018-2019 and in every trim level on 2020+.

Sure, at 40k you still have the remainder of your powertrain warranty, but like you mentioned, too many red flags.

Honesty I would keep looking.
 

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2020+ will add much $$ :confused:
Not as many dollars if you buy a 2018 or 2019 that's out of warranty. With today's vehicles, it's easy to wrack up $1,000 bill when even a basic component needs fixing. The savings in opting for an older and less reliable model will soon be eaten up by repair bills.
 

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Around where I live, I’m seeing 2018 EX-L with 50k miles going for $28-29k. The 2020 EX-L have 5-40k miles, and start at $36k. It’s a big price increase when I originally wanted to stay under $25k
 

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Around where I live, I’m seeing 2018 EX-L with 50k miles going for $28-29k. The 2020 EX-L have 5-40k miles, and start at $36k. It’s a big price increase when I originally wanted to stay under $25k
Agreed. You can get a good used 18 or 19 at a decent price. I guess my point is, both model years were often plagued with problems - some that Honda has refused to address like poor 9-speed shifting, knocking engines, unreliable electronics...Whatever you decide, best of luck, Bues0022 :).
 

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Agreed. You can get a good used 18 or 19 at a decent price. I guess my point is, both model years were often plagued with problems - some that Honda has refused to address like poor 9-speed shifting, knocking engines, unreliable electronics...Whatever you decide, best of luck, Bues0022 :).
Should he be looking at 2017's, since he's on a tight budget?
 

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Should he be looking at 2017's, since he's on a tight budget?
I’ve actually very much considered that. Around me, there really aren’t many 2017’s in the market (I’m near DC). Those that are around are overpriced to make them about the same as 2018’s. I’m in a pickle for sure.
 

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Those that are around are overpriced to make them about the same as 2018’s.
Yeah, but from everything I've seen on this forum, the 2018s are crap. So my thinking is, if you move down to a 2017, you might get a better van for the same price.
 
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