Just and FYI - Honda uses the term "flush" to describe the 3x drain/fill technique they use. It can get confusing...A flush with a pump driven machine should NEVER be used.
Just note that for the TSB to apply, they have to actually get a snapshot with data that proves the 'judder' is happening.So I'm still pondering the update that my dealership seemed surprised to hear me ask about. They told me that nobody has ever asked about that when getting ATF flush. Is this the correct service bulletin that I would want to point them to for the update? https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10129797-9999.pdf
Your 2013 LX has the 5 speed auto, that didn't require a software update. 2011-2013 Touring & Elite models came with a 6 speed auto, that was standard on all trims starting in 2014.I have never done the software updates in my 2013 Ody LX ( base model) but change my trans fluid with Valoline Maxlife. Where is the Transmission filter on a 2013? I have not changed it. Fluid will fix your issue, these guys know what they are talking about.
I'm still planning to do the change myself. But the Bulletin says to do the software update FIRST. Uncertain why that is significant though.The judder is caused by deteriorated transmission fluid. The transmission fluid deteriorates quicker than expected when it is exposed to intermittent high heat loads under specific driving conditions. A software update is available to maintain the transmission fluid temperature within the desirable range under all driving conditions and eliminate the potential for this judder.
There are two bulletins referring to this subject:
• 17-043 - 2014–17 Odyssey: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch. Do this bulletin first to apply the software and flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR PROCEDURE.
• 17-044 - 2014–17 Odyssey: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch After Software Update. Some vehicles based on how they are driven may still experience ATF deterioration after updating the PGM-FI or A/T system. In these cases, do the inspection and, if necessary, flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR PROCEDURE.
No one here has suggested that a Muzzler will fix this in the absence of replacing the fluid. With 62K, he is past due in any case.Muzzling the VCM will do nothing for a torque converter judder issue caused by fluid break down. Not saying you shouldn't add a Muzzler (because you should) but it won't help this issue.
I was replying to the comment in bold.Update: Since my van is a "rebuilt" title, the dealership won't perform the service bulletin (sofware update) for free even though I fall within the 8 years/80k miles. They also stated that to do the software update, the flush will also need to be completed at the same time - even if it's fresh fluid. He said something about it calibrating while the fluid is being changed and refilled.
I'm going to skip the software update and just change the fluid myself. If the judder is still present, maybe the VCM muzzler will resolve. If not, then I'll take it back in and have them do the software update with flush.
Do I really need the ATF filter?
So I just bought a used 2014 Odyssey and during slow acceleration, it feels like the transmission slips just a bit. I can sometimes even see the RPM gauge jump and fall a little. The Honda dealership said that it is time for a transmission fluid flush. My question is, does anybody recommend using the Lucas Transmission or similar additives when having this done? Do you guys think that a flush will actually fix the problem?
Save your $$$ and get Valvoline MaxLife Synthetic. Get three gallons from Walmart @$18 per gallon on the Internet and shipping is free.Well you can still pay them to actually update the software. If money is tight (you did buy a salvage title vehicle) then buying a case of fluid and doing the multiple changes yourself is your best option. I did say you will probably be fine. I know I was with my previous 2002 with a known weak transmission. Sold it with the original trans at 246k. Changed the fluid every other oil change on that one and plan on doing the same with the 2015 I just bought. It has such low miles I have not experienced any judder and don't know if the software was ever updated by the previous owner. I did install a Muzzler and it is already much smoother. You should definitely do that!