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I got a look at the front brake pads today during a tire rotation. I am concerned because the passenger front side pads are about half the size as the driver sides.

This is the most uneven side to side brake wear I have seen. Is this normal on a 2000 LX Odyssey? Both our Isuzu 4x4 and 89 civic never had uneven wear like this.

I am further concerned about the brakes because the one time I have had to use the ABS braking, the braking distance was pretty sad (found myself with the inlaws pretty far into a intersection from 35mph).

Some more info. 2000 LX Odyssey, purchased 9/1999, 27000 miles, original tires, original brake pads, the brake wear noise tabs are just beginning to touch on the passenger front disc, sight measure of the pads maybe 5mm on drive side & 3mm on passanger side.

Given my pass experience with honda brake pads, I am pretty happy to get over 25K miles out the off front brake pads. But do I have a brake pad dragging problem (passenger side), a brake caliber problem (driver side), or some brake system problem in ABS.

I will be taking the van in for other warranty type work (sliding door again), so I will be asking them about the brake problem.

Is there any service bulletins that I should remind the service about on brakes beside maybe #022300?
Does anyone out there know what an average front brake pad life is about?
And of course if anyone out there knows if uneven side to side brake pad is normal on the Odyssey?

Thanks in advance
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BrianB:
This is the most uneven side to side brake wear I have seen. Is this normal on a 2000 LX Odyssey? Both our Isuzu 4x4 and 89 civic never had uneven wear like this.

I am further concerned about the brakes because the one time I have had to use the ABS braking, the braking distance was pretty sad (found myself with the inlaws pretty far into a intersection from 35mph).

Given my pass experience with honda brake pads, I am pretty happy to get over 25K miles out the off front brake pads. But do I have a brake pad dragging problem (passenger side), a brake caliber problem (driver side), or some brake system problem in ABS.

Thanks in advance
BrianB
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Hi Brian,

I've never seen a case of uneven side to side wear like you mention. Your question about a brake dragging problem (sticking caliper?) sounds like it's pretty probable to me. I'd be interested in hearing what the dealer finds on this one.

On the ABS issue. Unfortuately, ABS doesn't guarantee a short stopping distance. All it does guarantee (hopefully) is a "controlled" stop. Considering the speed you say you were going, it sounds like you hit an oil patch or something? Without the ABS, you'd still have slid into the intersection, only you'd likely been pointed in some other direction!


FWIW, while the ABS on my Ody functions properly as far as I can tell. I've played with it on rainy streets a couple of times to get a feel for it. Don't worry, there wasn't any other traffic around!
It doesn't work as smoothly as my previous car did. I can definitely tell a difference in how fast the system cycles while modulating the lock up. My last car cycled more quickly than my Ody's ABS does and it makes a difference in how smoothly the car slows down and how contolled it feels while trying to maneuver with the ABS active. I'm mildly disappointed with this but at least I know what to expect if the system does activate.



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Brian,
This can happen if your car has a 3 channel ABS System and you used the ABS.

Although the ABS kicked in for a short while, a lot of factors affect the braking. It maybe that, it kicked in at a fairly high speed, resulting in such anomaly.

[Somebody in the forum could confirm if the Odyssey has a Three Channel or a Four Channel ABS system]
 

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Hey Brianb,
The caliper slides may be partially frozen in place or the pads rusted to the bracket. Both of these are very common problems on newer vehicles. The only way to resolve the problem is to remove the brake caliper, remove the brake pad bracket, file rust from where the brake pads fit into the bracket, use Neverseize on the bracket & reassemble.
If the caliper mounts are frozen, thats another story, It can be fixed, but sometimes a major job.
Hope this helps
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Use Syl-Glide it a silicone base lube. Found at your local automotive parts store. It's the best when it comes to prevent brake calipers from sticking together. Take it from a a former Honda and Toyota tech.

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Ah - sticking caliper slides; that sounds like a likely problem.

I will let the Honda dealer look at it first after the holidays. But I would guess they will do nothing about it under warranty. So I will do the slides when I do the brakes.

Thanks for the great information.

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Well, I just got the van back from the Honda dealer, and the service tech found no uneven brake pad wear problem.

The service tech took me back into the service area and showed me the removed brakes pads. They did not look very uneven, although the tech did comment that the slides had not been serviced like they should have been. His thoughts are the slides should be cleaned, inspected and regreased every time the brake are inspected. It sounds like a good idea to me also, but the other Honda dealerships that had done 2 to 3 maintenances did not and the honda service schedule does not say it is required either.

It has been 1000 miles since I got a quick look at the brake pads on the van, but I still believe I saw a very noticeable wear difference. I do not see what the service tech would have gained by switching parts (playing games) around on me, since Honda would have pick up the tab on a major brake system problem.

So my vans brake system is in fine working condition except the brake pads do need to be replaced.

Thanks to the great information -- and as you can tell you guys where right on about the caliper slides.

BrianB
 

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... syl glide is better ...
Here is some information on "Syl-Glide" for those of you who are not familiar with it. I was not. From what I can tell, both “Syl-Glide” and “Sil-Glyde” are the same thing, but “Syl-Glide” is a NAPA branded version of the product.



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Good stuff! Been using it for many years.

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Thanks Brian for using my scanned picture of syl-glide

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I mean sil-glyde.

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Can anyone tell me how to lubricate the slide pins. Are they accessable when you take off the one half of the caliper to replace pads. I have changed several sets of pads but have not done this before. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Can anyone tell me how to lubricate the slide pins. Are they accessable when you take off the one half of the caliper to replace pads. I have changed several sets of pads but have not done this before. Any help would be appreciated.
I am planning on replacing all slide pins and using Sil-Glyde, when I do the brake fuild change. I am hoping the pin change and the grease will reduce my front end caliper rattle.

Note the pins are pricy in the $8/each range (mail order)

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BrianB said:
I am planning on replacing all slide pins and using Sil-Glyde, when I do the brake fuild change. I am hoping the pin change and the grease will reduce my front end caliper rattle.

Note the pins are pricy in the $8/each range (mail order)

BrianB
Brian, I hate to rain on your parade, but, new "everything" (entire calipers and mounts) did nothing for my "rattle". If your dealer has a stock of pins, you might "mike" them and select those with the largest diameters. Of course, being Honda, they are probably all the same size.

Jerry O.
 
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