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Hi guys,
I thought I'd add my saga to the thread in case anyone can benefit from it.

I've had Honda's forever and even from the days of my 1st one (1985 Prelude) I've struggled with vibrations on Honda's. On the Prelude I solved the problem by finding The Radial Tire company in Silver Spring - they would always balance the front tires ON the vehicle after the normal spin balancing. Problem is that they are too far from where I live now.

The current issue was on a 2010 Odyssey. We bought the van slightly used several years ago and generally it was ok but never glass smooth at highway speeds. I lived with it but then on a road trip last year we noticed that under acceleration there was vibration whereas during coasting the vibration was less. Being a bit analytical I determined that the vibration had to be the joints on the drive shafts... the dealer agreed and replaced both half-shafts under the Certified warranty. They told me that my wheels were also bent because when they put a set of four new tires and wheels on for the post-repair test drive they said the van was smooth.

So, I had a wheel specialist take all four wheels/tire and check them. He said one was bent badly, one was slightly bent and two were ok - luckily he was honest! He didn't even charge me for the slightly bent one even though he fixed it. He also suggest that I get road-force balancing. Guess what? Problems persisted.

I called around to find a shop with a road-force machine - that's another whole story... long story short, I wasted a lot of time and money with an utterly incompetent chain tire store and a mom-and-pop ship both of whom actually made things WORSE. Fed up, I went online and ordered BRAND NEW tires and wheels from Tire Rack thinking that that would end all my problems! I was so excited when they arrived - not only do they look cool but I was ready for a nice smooth ride finally - NOT SO... argghhhhh! The chassis vibration was just as bad or worse and the vibration under acceleration was back.

Playing with tire pressure helped a little, but as others have mentioned, I think the only thing that lowering the pressure does is to allow the tire sidewalls to absorb some of the vibration.

I was convinced that something else was wrong with the van now so back to the dealer I went. They found nothing wrong (drive shafts good, motor mounts good, no codes, etc). It never even occurred to me that BRAND NEW wheels/tires could be at fault because Tire Rack says they Road Force all packages before shipping - and, in fact, there were nicely placed color-matched weights on all the wheels. But with no other ideas I called Tire Rack and they pointed me to a shop on their recommended list. I made an appointment and dropped off the van expecting more disappointment, BUT alas, the test drive gave me a SMOOOOTH van :)

Lessons learned:

- Honda's are hyper-sensitive to wheel balancing. I wish I had found this article earlier which explains "phase matching" http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SN/A07100V.PDF.

- The dealers apparently don't know about the above link so you have to educate them.

- even BRAND NEW wheels and tires can be out of balance (three of four in my case).

- Road Force balancing by a good shop is the ONLY solution to this problem.

Hope this helps someone.

PS, Tire Rack is going to reimberse me for the final tire balancing. The tire chain where I bought my original tires and had them balanced many times has agreed to reimburse me for two tires, the cost of the "lifetime" balancing and the cost of having the tires balanced at another shop because they couldn't do it right.
 

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It's been several months and my van still rides smooth as glass thanks to Hillmuth Auto's fine job of Road Force Balancing.

I thought I'd followup on this because the national chain that displayed so much incompetence has yet to reimburse me... the chain is NTB which is owned by the same company that owns Tire King, Sears Auto, Merchants and many others - STEER CLEAR of these morons. They hire the bottom of the barrel who don't even know how to balance a tire let alone diagnose any other auto issues.

In my case I was told that my vibration was caused by faulty tie-rod ends and rear suspension air bags - uh huh, sure it was - complete idiots. The tech and the store manager didn't even know what a Road Force Balancing machine was claiming that their machine was a RFB machine despite the fact that it had no road force roller on it.
 

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I'm having the same problem vibration under load over 70 and goes away around 90 mph, I have taken it to the dealer and they couldn't find any issues other than maybe a tire. I took it to the tire shop to have it checked and they did come back with an out of balance tire but it didn't fix the problem. I just replaced the passenger CV axle without really any change but now I feel it more on the driver's side so I will be picking a driver's side one up in the morning. Really hoping to get this fixed soon!

Check your engine mount as we have the same problem and I found out my engine mount is missing a bolt and it separated by an inch to the engine, It's the front engine mont by the way,
 

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2007 Odyssey, 120k mi
1) Hard vibration starts at around 61mph and subsides at just over 70mph
2 ) if you take your foot off the throttle, it immediately stops.
3) if while going from 80 to a stop or lower speed, there's no vibration.
4) No vibration while braking
I have 2005 ody with vtech, NOT i -VTech.

I would say this is engine mounts, if you had a manual due to number 4.
If an engine has bad axles and you brake from 70 to 61 it should vibrate too.
But with an automatic transmission it's hard to know exactly how coupled the axles are with the engine during braking especially.
And Honda auto trans are different than other but they do seem to be pretty well coupled when off the gas and braking, but I'm not sure I remember that correctly.

It would be nice to know the following when people post.
1) Do you have the problem only under acceleration ONLY? Deceleration too?
2) What speed range is this problem in?
3) Do your axles joints have a lot of play when you move them by hand?
4) Do your axle joints have no play or very little play, maybe missing grease and replacing them helped you, even though the axles had little play?


In my experience axles will shake at any speed during acceleration when they can be moved by hand.
BUT some one mentioned here they had the problem between only 70-90 MPH and changing the axles helped the vibration.
Perhaps they are out of balance a little when they have very little play, that's why it only happens at these speeds.

My problem is from 55 to 72 MPH ONLY while accelerating.
I thought it was axles, then my friend checked it, he said axles were okay, even though some grease from the inner CV joint leaked out, so I bought motor mounts.
Now I'm trying to collect info because I don't want to change the mounts.

The axles have almost no play in them, when I try to move them by hand.
Could it still be the axles?
 

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My problem was axles.
I bought new Cardone axles.
Vibration is gone.
Right axle is very hard to get out of the carrier and no good place to pry.
I had to pull mine out with climbing rope through the axle hole in the wheel hub; then hit it lightly on the bottom with a hammer on the opposite side the pulling force was applied, if you know what I mean. Rope was stuck on top of axle when pulling and I tapped the bottom.
Taking the strut bolts out can be easier than removing ball joints, especially if you do your own alignment after. And also if you pull it out with a rope.

Engine mounts kind of still seem like they could also use replacing.
They seem to be designed for extreme engine dampening in mind rather than for optimum strength.
 

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Just upgrade my 2002 to 2010. Car is in excellent condition. However during the drive back on the highway, first thing I notice was vibration. After a few more time I drove it on the highway, come to the following conclusion:

The steering wheel shakes a lot during speed 70+ WHILE accelerating and not decelerate. Mostly during uphill or under load.

My 2 front tires are newer than the rear ones. My guess is that since new tires can/should only go to the back, the owner might have tried to replace tires for this vibration but has not resolve.

Going to find some time to swap front/back tires to try and see if this goes away. Other than that, I might have to have someone balance the tires and see if that will resolve the issue.

Engine movement seems normal during shifting while parked. Mounts might still be ok.
 

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Just upgrade my 2002 to 2010. Car is in excellent condition. However during the drive back on the highway, first thing I notice was vibration. After a few more time I drove it on the highway, come to the following conclusion:

The steering wheel shakes a lot during speed 70+ WHILE accelerating and not decelerate. Mostly during uphill or under load.

My 2 front tires are newer than the rear ones. My guess is that since new tires can/should only go to the back, the owner might have tried to replace tires for this vibration but has not resolve.

Going to find some time to swap front/back tires to try and see if this goes away. Other than that, I might have to have someone balance the tires and see if that will resolve the issue.

Engine movement seems normal during shifting while parked. Mounts might still be ok.
Please see the info I posted earlier... get the tires road force balanced or balanced on the vehicle (yes, that's a thing).
 

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Had this exact problem on a 2006 with 90K miles. Fixed it by replacing both front axles. Started by doing engine mounts...(2 out of 3 shot) .....but that did not help the vibration.
I have a 2006 ody 167k mi. has the shake at 65 to 70 mph , more shakes like my washing machine replaced all mounts including trans . Replaced stabi links then did the Rotors and then 4 brand new tires mounted and balanced . Still has the shake but not as bad from before but still shakes ! Was thinking it must be the CV axles .
 
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