BMWs use ZF transmissions. In that brand they are the best transmissions out there.Garbage. Will never own a ZF made transmission car ever again. Will avoid it like the plague.
Do you own a 2018 Odyssey? What about the transmission makes you say it is garbage?Garbage. Will never own a ZF made transmission car ever again. Will avoid it like the plague.
Transmission behaviour seems to be Honda’s weak point and people love to hate that in what is otherwise clearly the bets driving mini van on the market. There is so much to like about this van though, so the slightly (at times) less than perfect shifting with the 9 speed is easy to accept for most. A test drive will help a purchaser decide.Do you own a 2018 Odyssey? What about the transmission makes you say it is garbage?
Are you a forum moderator?ALL gear transmissions have noticeable shifting, if you are looking for smooth you need CVT.
If you get CVT than we will have other kind of complaints.
Please guys, only serious complaints, if it breaks, leaks or something like that!
Agreed.The ZF 9 was one of my initial concerns about buying my '18. So far it has been pretty good. When it's cold the first few shifts are jerky, but after that it's pretty smooth. I posted a thread a little while ago about what gear it likes to cost in at about 25mph. It seems to be in too low of a gear at this speed, making it a bit jerky when you let go of the accelerator, but that isn't a shifting issue but more of a programming issue. 99% of the time the transmission does a great job and is pretty invisible.
From what I've seen the ZF has been used in several different brands for many years. Not all variants have been issue free. Regardless My experience with it was bad enough that I don't care to deal with it again in any capacity. Even if it was just a software issue, Shame on Honda for outsourcing this transmission and releasing it in the TLX, Pilot, and MDX the way they did. Maybe in the new Odyssey they've worked it out and it's problem free. For those who have one or are considering a car with one I hope you guys won't have to experience what we went through. It really messed up the whole experience of a new car. Our MDX cost $55k. I expected a lot more at that price point.BMWs use ZF transmissions. In that brand they are the best transmissions out there.
We have a 2018 Elite. The ZF transmission was one of the most compelling deciding factors for me to get the top trim to avoid the ZF. We had a 2016 MDX with the same 9 spd. From everything I've seen in the MDX world, people prefer the 2014 (6spd) vs the subsequent years of the current generation with the ZF. Personally the transmission was just hard get use to even when it was working properly. I say working properly because we were told time and time again by the dealer that it was working properly until I came across the TBS. It stalled and lurched often. Especially from a dead start like at an intersection. Ours VIN was also part of the TSB to reprogram the computer to help or reduce the sensations mentioned, but the difference afterwards were negligible.Do you own a 2018 Odyssey? What about the transmission makes you say it is garbage?
I would agree that most of the issues with the ZF are in low gear/speeds. At hwy it's fine. But my experience with it was bad. Programming or updates do not fix every car. As I mentioned above, the TSB on the MDX didn't really fix our issues as well as for many other owners. Some owners did say that either it did get better after the TSB or the problem went away. It would appears that the issues and fix are hit and miss. I'm sure for some of you with the ZF in your Odyssey it is just fine aside from the standard behavioral differences of a standard 5 or 6pd. For me personally I wasn't keen on gambling again.The ZF 9 was one of my initial concerns about buying my '18. So far it has been pretty good. When it's cold the first few shifts are jerky, but after that it's pretty smooth. I posted a thread a little while ago about what gear it likes to cost in at about 25mph. It seems to be in too low of a gear at this speed, making it a bit jerky when you let go of the accelerator, but that isn't a shifting issue but more of a programming issue. 99% of the time the transmission does a great job and is pretty invisible.
We would have considered a Touring (Canada/Elite USA), but the price is like $5,000 more than the EX-L RES we got and the only thing that we would have wanted from the option list of the Touring was the 10 speed transmission. $5,000 for a transmission was too much. While the 10 speed is reviewed to be smooth, it was designed in house by Honda and there are many past Honda transmissions that turned out to have problems down the road. I hope that isn't the case with the current new Honda 10 speed.From what I've seen the ZF has been used in several different brands for many years. Not all variants have been issue free. Regardless My experience with it was bad enough that I don't care to deal with it again in any capacity. Even if it was just a software issue, Shame on Honda for outsourcing this transmission and releasing it in the TLX, Pilot, and MDX the way they did. Maybe in the new Odyssey they've worked it out and it's problem free. For those who have one or are considering a car with one I hope you guys won't have to experience what we went through. It really messed up the whole experience of a new car. Our MDX cost $55k. I expected a lot more at that price point.
We have a 2018 Elite. The ZF transmission was one of the most compelling deciding factors for me to get the top trim to avoid the ZF. We had a 2016 MDX with the same 9 spd. From everything I've seen in the MDX world, people prefer the 2014 (6spd) vs the subsequent years of the current generation with the ZF. Personally the transmission was just hard get use to even when it was working properly. I say working properly because we were told time and time again by the dealer that it was working properly until I came across the TBS. It stalled and lurched often. Especially from a dead start like at an intersection. Ours VIN was also part of the TSB to reprogram the computer to help or reduce the sensations mentioned, but the difference afterwards were negligible.
I would agree that most of the issues with the ZF are in low gear/speeds. At hwy it's fine. But my experience with it was bad. Programming or updates do not fix every car. As I mentioned above, the TSB on the MDX didn't really fix our issues as well as for many other owners. Some owners did say that either it did get better after the TSB or the problem went away. It would appears that the issues and fix are hit and miss. I'm sure for some of you with the ZF in your Odyssey it is just fine aside from the standard behavioral differences of a standard 5 or 6pd. For me personally I wasn't keen on gambling again.
In Canada with 9 speed, less than 3k km, mechanical issue and need new transmission.