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I recently purchased a 2016 Honda Odyssey EX-L with 22,000 miles. This is my third Odyssey but my first that requires full synthetic oil. I went by the maintenance minder on the last 2 Odyssey's and would run them down to almost 0% before I would have the oil changed. Both had well over 250,000 miles on them when I sold them and I never had any engine problems. On my 2016 however, I am getting mixed advice. My normal mechanic said I can continue to follow the maintenance minder but when I took it to the Honda dealership for my first (free) oil change I had logged just over 9000 miles and still had 10% on the maintenance minder and the tech at Honda said that if I want it to last as long as my last 2 did, I should change the oil every 5,000-6,000 miles regardless of what the maintenance minder is at. I plan on driving this one until the tires fall off so I want to keep the engine healthy for the long haul. Should I follow my mechanic's advice or follow the Honda tech? Thanks in advance!
 

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I'm impressed that you got 9,000 miles on an OCI from the Maintenance Minder. On my 2015, I change the oil roughly every 6,200 miles (10,000 km) but the MM is showing 15% by then, which prorates out to about 7,200 miles total lifespan if I were to wring it out to the very last.

The general rule of thumb is to follow the Maintenance Minder unless it is going to stretch the oil change interval out past a year. You should change the oil once a year regardless of mileage. I acknowledge that I do not exactly do this (at 15% on the MM Honda basically says to start planning for an oil change but it isn't super urgent), but that is more out my personal bias against trusting computers for everything rather than any concrete evidence that my way is smarter. I also don't like warning lights staring my wife in the face as she drives - I'd rather just change the oil, reset the MM and keep the van, her and myself comfortable.

The Honda tech's advice of changing the oil every 5000 miles regardless of what the MM says is fine for the van and fantastic for him, but you're emptying your wallet for objectively not very much benefit.

The more important thing for these vans is to keep the transmission fluid refreshed regularly, but if this is your third Odyssey you're probably already aware of that. The 6-speed transmission is very good but the DW-1 ATF is prone to breaking down earlier than Honda had originally expected.
 

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Take an oil sample next change and send it to Blackstone for analysis. They will tell you if the oil was changed at an appropriate interval based on the condition of the oil.
 

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When does the light come on with the MM? 20%? I'd just do it as soon as the light comes on. 10K might be a bit much on direct injection engine unless you are 90% highway which I doubt in a minivan.
 

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When does the light come on with the MM? 20%? I'd just do it as soon as the light comes on. 10K might be a bit much on direct injection engine unless you are 90% highway which I doubt in a minivan.
The Maintenance Required indicator (the little orange wrench) will light up at 15% oil life remaining. And none of the gen 4 Odyssey engines have direct injection. That started in 2018.
 

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Take an oil sample next change and send it to Blackstone for analysis. They will tell you if the oil was changed at an appropriate interval based on the condition of the oil.
^^^ This is the real answer here. Likely 10k oil change intervals are fine (for mixed or highway driving). But to go beyond the maintenance minder would require evidence. I have rarely seen used oil analysis results using a quality synthetic (Honda 0W20 is) that show excessive wear below 8k miles, and often 10k and up intervals are still fine (low wear numbers). Use the maintenance minder, and it is unlikely you need to do oil changes earlier.

Then again, I still DIY at 5k intervals... so who am I do talk? ;)

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The oil maintenance indicator usually comes on at ~7k, so I've been DIYing at 7.5k regularly with tire rotation. Easy to track, ATM fluid every other oil change, and major ones every 30k. So far, my schedule is something like this 1.5k (first LOF), 7.5k, 15k, 22.5k, 30k, 37.5, 45k...75k.
 

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You should never change the initial oil fill on a brand new Honda before the oil life reaches 15%.
 

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From Edmonds:
However, a Honda spokesman says its cars come from the factory with a special oil formulation for the break-in period. Honda advises owners to not change the oil early. Stark said Blackstone Laboratories' test of Honda's break-in oil shows it contains molybdenum-disulfide, an anti-wear additive. But Stark said Honda is the only manufacturer he knows that's using special break-in oil. The take-away? If there are any special break-in recommendations from the manufacturer, follow them. And consider analyzing the oil at 3,000 miles.

Now I know many folks like to do what grandpapa did, but we are two decades into the 21st century. Time to catch up.
This myth of shavings inside a brand new engine might have been true in a mid 50s iron Detroit engine, but a modern aluminum one made by Honda? Not so much.
 

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I'm impressed that you got 9,000 miles on an OCI from the Maintenance Minder. On my 2015, I change the oil roughly every 6,200 miles (10,000 km) but the MM is showing 15% by then, which prorates out to about 7,200 miles total lifespan if I were to wring it out to the very last.

The general rule of thumb is to follow the Maintenance Minder unless it is going to stretch the oil change interval out past a year. You should change the oil once a year regardless of mileage. I acknowledge that I do not exactly do this (at 15% on the MM Honda basically says to start planning for an oil change but it isn't super urgent), but that is more out my personal bias against trusting computers for everything rather than any concrete evidence that my way is smarter. I also don't like warning lights staring my wife in the face as she drives - I'd rather just change the oil, reset the MM and keep the van, her and myself comfortable.

The Honda tech's advice of changing the oil every 5000 miles regardless of what the MM says is fine for the van and fantastic for him, but you're emptying your wallet for objectively not very much benefit.

The more important thing for these vans is to keep the transmission fluid refreshed regularly, but if this is your third Odyssey you're probably already aware of that. The 6-speed transmission is very good but the DW-1 ATF is prone to breaking down earlier than Honda had originally expected.
I just bought my 2016 Odyssey Jan 2020 , Because of the pandemic . I have only driven 3500 miles . I am working from home . Is it still recommended I change it yearly ?
 

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I just bought my 2016 Odyssey Jan 2020 , Because of the pandemic . I have only driven 3500 miles . I am working from home . Is it still recommended I change it yearly ?
Yes, and that comes straight from Honda. Notice the very first line in the screenshot below.

Now if you were to try to stretch it out a few more months and wring another thousand miles or so out of the current oil, nothing awful is likely to happen. But if you can manage to do the change, the van will be happier in the long run. I am able to DIY oil changes so it is very easy for me to suggest staying on schedule - my costs are minimal. But if you are in a position where you have to go to a shop to get the oil done, I can understand why you might want to stretch it out a bit more.

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Thanks I may stretch it a little more . I have heard of oxidation may build up just hate changing at 3500 miles . I have changed my oil on my old 2003 Toyota Van (no longer have ) but I also have a rewards from the dealer that is enough to get 1 free oil change and maybe half of another ;)
 

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It would drive me nuts as well, but as stated above, having the oil tested would be the only way to really know if it is oxidized.
 
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