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I took delivery of our ’02 GG EX-L-RES Odyssey on Thursday, 9/13. It was nice to finally have the car, but a bit anticlimactic. I guess life continues to wade forward through the tide of horrors Tuesday brought.

I opted out of the dealer’s sealant / pinstripe deal. Instead I spent all Saturday Zainoing the crap out of the new car. I washed with Zaino, then clayed with Zaino, toweled it dry, applied Z1, then Z2, let them dry and toweled them off, waited till evening then applied another coat of Z2, let it dry and toweled it off, then did the third coat of Z2 the next day, and toweled it off for the final “3d time’s a charm” Zaino application. After, I wiped the car down with some Z6 gloss enhancer. Dat’s a HOLE-LOTTA-ODYSSEY. I figure I touched about an acre of sheet metal before it was all over.

Sorry guys, but ... I started out with a very shiny car ... and ended up with a really shiny car. I put on my new tags today and tried to see a difference between where I’d Zainoed the car and under the dealer’s paper tag where nothing had been done. Now maybe I’m getting old, but I was able to spot a single dead pixel in the 7” LCD screen on the new van the minute they turned it on (new one on order under warranty) and I’ve always been quite visual in nature, but I’m having a hard time seeing a big difference in the looks of the car. I’m not saying anything bad about the product, but I think the point of diminishing returns is quickly reached applying this amount of effort to a brand new vehicle, at least looks wise. I am, however, glad to have it coated and protected, and I now know, love, and am one with the exterior of my new Odyssey.

The nice thing is I was able to do all that stuff and live to tell about it. I’d definitely be in the hospital had I been using a conventional bump and grind application wax. It’s also kinda fun to set the plastic Zaino bottle on the hood or roof and watch it slide right off. I don’t know that it would have done that before all my efforts. I guess the real tale will be told when I do the ’90 4Runner in a few weeks. Till then, Zaino be praised ...
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I don't know how much of a difference this makes, but the instructions say to wait 24 hours between coats of Z-2.

I Zaino'd my van 4 days after we picked it up. I've only applied one coat so far. I don't know if it looks any shinier, but the finish definitely feels smoother than when we took possession of it.
 

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I understand your comment about the shine, but I believe the biggest reason for waxing is for protection. I know that after the 3 coats of Zaino, every washing has been easy--road debris comes off quite nicely. I also have been using the Z-6 about once a month as a "quick detail". After about 4 months, the car still beads and is easy to clean. And this is on my daily driver, which takes a lot more environmental abuse. Sometimes it's about preventative maintenance, which is harder to get excited about.

Just my $0.02 worth.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tnuckels:
It’s also kinda fun to set the plastic Zaino bottle on the hood or roof and watch it slide right off. I don’t know that it would have done that before all my efforts. </font>
Sounds to me like you're satisfied with Zaino. I agree, it wouldn't have done that before you Zaino'd the car, nor would it have done that with any wax product. I've got four coats of Z2 on my Ody now; after 3-4 months and an Oklahoma summer it continues to bead and shed water like the day after a regular wax job. BTW, per instructions you should wash the vehicle with Dawn dishwashing detergent (not Zaino car wash) prior to the first time you ever apply Z1.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cmmeyers:
I don't know how much of a difference this makes, but the instructions say to wait 24 hours between coats of Z-2.</font>
Yes, I read that bit in the instructions, but with the temperature over 70 the instructions say that you only have to wait 6 hours between coats of Z2/Z5.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by groupset:
Sounds to me like you're satisfied with Zaino.</font>
Yes, I am a satisfied customer, but guess was hoping for some sort of miracle with all that work.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by groupset:
BTW, per instructions you should wash the vehicle with Dawn dishwashing detergent (not Zaino car wash) prior to the first time you ever apply Z1.</font>
All the dealer did was wash and vacuum the car, so I didn’t have any wax buildup to remove, at least that I am aware of, on the new car. That’s why I washed it with the Zaino solution.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cmmeyers:
Bugs on the front bumper/grill and bird poop have never come off easier.</font>
We took a trip last weekend and put about 1K miles on the van up and down the Natchez Trace Parkway. Lots of big bugs with sharp, gnashing teeth here down South. When we finished the bugs and such did come off relatively easily, though many still required a bit of elbow grease.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cmmeyers:
I understand your comment about the shine, but I believe the biggest reason for waxing is for protection. Sometimes it's about preventative maintenance, which is harder to get excited about.</font>
Yeah, real life doesn't usually get a reserved space at the show.

I appreciate all the feedback. It’s nice to have a little positive reinforcement for the labors I undertook. Most folks just think I’m nuts.
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I would think if you have a new car with new paint, that is as good as it will get. Miracles would be expected on not so new cars, such as something you've had for say 5 years. Then I would expect something drastic as far as Zaino goes. On my new Oddy, I would want it there to protect from now until the future. Haven't recieved my Zaino or Van yet, expect them both this week, but that is my expectation with it. However, with my 90 Accord, I hope to see great improvement!!
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The first time I used the Zaino system on my DEP 2001, it shone beautifully, but as was pointed out, it's a new car and it should. The Z5 did seem to help with the swirl marks from the dealer's detail monkeys, but it wasn't perfect. Definitely easier to clean bugs from the front end, though.

A few weeks ago, I finally got around to Zainoing my'96 Accord, which I'm ashamed to admit I had not waxed since summer 2000. Its black paint, though still very nice, has the typical swirl marks you see in the noonday sun. One coat of Z5 was impressive, but that second coat made a HUGE difference. The swirls are only slightly visible, and only under the harshest light. I was duly impressed.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rickneuropa:
I would think if you have a new car with new paint, that is as good as it will get. Miracles would be expected on not so new cars, such as something you've had for say 5 years. Then I would expect something drastic as far as Zaino goes. On my new Oddy, I would want it there to protect from now until the future. Haven't recieved my Zaino or Van yet, expect them both this week, but that is my expectation with it. However, with my 90 Accord, I hope to see great improvement!!
Just my thoughts.

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That may not be as good as it gets. As if all the work tnuckels did wasn't enough, there's one more thing that shoulda been done, even on a brand new vehicle. Tknuckels, did you clay the van before you did all the rest of that work? (As if you needed to do even more, eh?) It may or may not make it any shinier, but I'd be surprised if it didn't make it even silkier.

Take a baggie or a cigarette wrapper and put your hand or fingers inside it and gently rub across the paint on your van. You'll be able to feel every imperfection and speck of dust on the paint. Make sure the paint is spotlessly clean or you'll be feeling dust under the plastic.

The day after we picked up my wife's Celica I clayed it and couldn't believe the difference between "brand new" paint and "just-clayed" paint. New cars pick up raildust contamination among other things, and claying them makes them much, much smoother. Then do the Z trick.

This probably isn't something you're really in the mood for right now, but the next time you're ready to do a little Zaino-ing, give the clay a try first.



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I agree whole-heartedly with Chuck. I clayed my month old van and it was worth every minute of time. Huge difference.

One last comment on why I do this level of detail work. Two words: resale value.

When it came down to selling my wife's '92 Accord (which the Ody replaced), it sold in a sec, at the price I wanted. I saw LOTS of Accords in the paper and on the net when I listed this car. Every buyer that came to look said something to the effect of, "Wow, this car is in great shape! I can see why you are asking what you are for this car."

There was not alot of negotiation on price because my car LOOKED alot better than any other cars listed in the price range (or model year). Add to that my detailed records for service, and it was an easy sell.

My wife, though she thinks I'm nuts for the amount of time I spend on doing that stuff, surely appreciates the value of it. In the long run, I think the time and effort do pay for themselves.

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Chuck,

You make a good point about the claying. I thought that I was crazy initially for claying a month-old van. In the end I decided to follow the instructions blindly because I know that I don't know better than the professionals and more experienced people posting here and the Zaino site. I did see some change in color of the clay, which I assume means that some debris came off. Without a side-by-side test with and without claying, though, I am not sure that I would have seen a shinier appearance. Anyway, my objective was the preventative maintenance aspect. It's like many other PM exercises that don't provide any improved performance, but you feel better knowing that you've done all you could to help the longevity of the vehicle.

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A nice coat of NuFinish takes about an hour to and hour and one-half and I'll bet there is not ten cents difference in the shine. I have done my vehicles with that twice a year for years and have had some of the best looking cars on the road at trade-in time. Car wax is sorta like beer, everyone likes to say, "that's my brand" and to think the amount of elbow grease determines the quality of the job. I think not. NuFinish is as easy as any product to put on and remove and the shine is very nice. Just my two cents.......

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jerry O:
A nice coat of NuFinish takes about an hour to and hour and one-half and I'll bet there is not ten cents difference in the shine. Jerry O. 2001 GG LX</font>
Jerry, I've also been happily using NuFinish for several years and agree that it is relatively easy to apply but can be a little tedious to remove. Even though it is a polymer formula, it is like traditional waxes in that it does leave visible residue in cracks, around badging and smears or stains a bit on plastic/rubber. It is also inexpensive and its protection lasts longer than most waxes. In reality I've only been getting about 3-4 months of noticeable protection, even after multiple coats. Having used it on white, silver and black clear coat finishes, I would personally rate its depth of shine as average - that's not to say bad, but not wow. (Doesn't compete with high waxes having high concentrations of short lasting carnuba wax.)

I've just applied the initial coats of Zaino on my silver Maxima. The base coat is applied ultra thin and is exceptionally easy to spread. The challenge comes in that it does not dry to a real visible haze, so you have to be extra careful to cover everything evenly. Zaino wipes off with much less effort than NuFinish, the depth of shine seems to be deeper, and it really does feel slicker than my wife's recently NuFinished silver Ody. I also think that the Zaino is less abrasive (evident with drying and removal) than NuFinish. As suggested by Zaino, for additional protection durability and depth of shine I will apply a couple more coats over the next few weeks. Based on the initial application I anticipate subsequent coats will probably go on even quicker.

My primary interest in waxing/polishing for the family fleet of daily driving cars is to provide long lasting finish protection. Obviously it is way too early for me to have an opinion about Zaino in that important benchmark. I'll be thrilled if I can go from October to February or March and still have protection that is suggested by beading/sheeting and a slippery smooth finish after washing with good car wash soap.

Zaino is much more expensive initially, but it goes on so sparingly that it should help amortize the investment. If it lasts 6 months after the initial 3-4 coats, and only requires a relatively quick 1 or 2 refresher coats thereafter, then I will be happy.

Another polymer I've read good things about is called Klasse. It supposedly offers superior(& longer) protection and deeper shine than mass marketed waxes and polymers.
But then, as in everything, beauty and value is in the eye of the beholder.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Instead I spent all Saturday Zainoing the crap out of the new car.

...big bugs with sharp, gnashing teeth ...[/B]</font>
If nothing else, I love your writing style!


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I've used Z since getting my TW EX last year. I have used 1.5 bottles of Z2 and have done the Ody a total 5 times, my silver Accord 7 times, and my old Escort once (just before selling). Although Z's shine capabilities are not fully evident on the light colors, it seems like the vehicles glow - especially at night under lights.

The best part is how quickly I can apply and remove it once the initial springtime ritual of claying is done. I did both the Ody and the Accord on Sunday. Took me about 3 hours with washing, applying Z2, quick wipe down and then Z6 on both. With traditional waxes, it would be 3 hours for one car. I used to dread having to wax the car every 2 months because it seemed to be so much work. I find Z to be easier.

And it lasts - snow was still sliding off the roof and hood in March upon brake application and I had done my last coat in October. Personally, I'm sold. My wife likes it too since she knows what she drives looks good.

Not everyone will want to use Z - that's fine. My FIL loves Finish 2000, my neigbor NuFinish, my Dad whatever they put in the car wash rinse, my brother "wash the car, what are you crazy???" As JerryO said - it's like beer - everyone has their own brand.
 

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Meguiar's 3 step process had my attention while I showed my truck. I even used it on my SE-R.

I'm a Zaino convert after doing both the Ody and the SE-R. NICE finish!

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Has anyone used the Zaino leather care products (Z-9,Z-10)? It seems that everyone who has tried Zaino on the exterior is impressed with the results and I was wondering if the interior results are equally impressive. If not, what would you recommend? I want my new ivory leather to last for many years.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ckonarske:
That may not be as good as it gets. As if all the work tnuckels did wasn't enough, there's one more thing that shoulda been done, even on a brand new vehicle. Tknuckels, did you clay the van before you did all the rest of that work? (As if you needed to do even more, eh?) It may or may not make it any shinier, but I'd be surprised if it didn't make it even silkier. </font>
Somewhere in that mess of stuff I did to the Odyssey, right after washing it, was claying it with the 2 Zaino Clay Bars (combined them into one big bar), using the Zaino wash solution as a lubricant. I too noticed some color change as I used the bar, but fear most of it was from coming into contact with rubber and black plastics surrounding the painted surfaces I was working on. My Odyssey is definitely very slick ... so slick that it’s own shadow keeps falling off
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I’m still trying to decide if the Zaino clay bar is just an ultra fine version of the old red clay/ white clay progression used prior to polishing and waxing cars back when, a sticky compound meant to simply remove all surface contaminants, or a combination of both. Depending on the answer to this question, I’m wondering if you would ever use the clay bar again on a vehicle that has already been clayed?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pman02:
Has anyone used the Zaino leather care products (Z-9,Z-10)?</font>
Based on the overwhelmingly positive things I’ve read here and other places on the net, I purchased the entire line of Zaino products (had that “rebate” from not doing the dealer prep burning a hole in my pocket), including Z9 & Z10 for the leather and vinyl interior pieces. As the van was brand new and hopefully clean, I only used the Z10 product so far as a conditioning/protecting barrier against the attack of the rug rats. It gives a rich satin finish to the items I used it on, much less glossy than something like Armor All. Be advised, however, that once you start to do an area you’ve need to do the whole thing, otherwise you’ll be left with a sort of two toned, blotchy look. Because the product does not impart a glossy finish it’s easier to miss spots. This was most noticeable on the dash, but could also be seen in other, less prominent and less well lighted areas. As with the outside of the van, once you get going there’s a whole lot of plastic, vinyl, and leather, so pick your fights wisely unless you plan on doing the whole interior.
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The comment about NuFinish leaving a residue on the car is well taken. My answer to that is a homemade detailing brush, which solves the problem very easily and makes for a real professional job. I have an old, sorta soft paint brush about three inches wide. I cut the bristles down to about 1/2 inch in length and it knocks the residue out of the cracks and from around the badges very easily.

I do not find the removal of the polish too bad. I use the velour material of my wife's old robes and it works real well.

Jerry O. 2001 GG LX
 
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