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Hello everyone. I've been running 89 octane in my Odyssey since I owned it. I never considered 87 octane.

There's one heck of a price gap between 87 octane 89 octane where I live.

Would it be okay to run 87 octane in a 2010 Honda odyssey?
 
The thing to remember is that a higher octane gas is harder to ignite, and that if a car is not made to use it, the result can be worse performance than with regular.

I have a BMW that wants 91, but I use 87 without a problem, because I think the price difference is ridiculous. I drive it normally and don't play 'boy racer'. However, if I was towing a trailer or climbing a mountain I would use 91 or 93 to prevent pinging.
 
"Octane" is NOT a performance rating--it's a knock rating. Unless your car manufacturer specifically calls for a specific fuel, use the cheapest fuel. it's better for your wallet.

"octane has nothing to do with energy content or quality – it's a measurement of the gasoline's ability to resist engine knock. Higher octane denotes greater knock control. " by Google
 
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Even if your engine calls for premium, that's what the knock sensor is for on newer vehicles. A little shouldn't hurt.

But the Odyssey calls for 87. No need to use anything else. If you're at altitude you can use 85 no problem.
 
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"Octane" is NOT a performance rating--it's a knock rating.
True no question.

However, higher octane can indirectly increase engine performance in one certain condition: under heavy throttle.

The computer can command more ignition advance. So the engine can extract more of the energy in the fuel.

I use 91 in the mountains. The difference from 87 is noticeable in that the van holds the higher gears longer before downshifting. If the hill isn't too long or too steep, I can sometimes slingshot (i.e. trade speed for throttle) over the top without any downshift at all.

Regardless, I agree with you and the others that anything higher than 87 octane is a waste of money.
 
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Interesting discussion. Yeah I guess it might be between 400-500 in savings using 87 octane if you take average $.60 over regular price * 16 gal * 53 weeks +/- 91 octane use intermittent. Acutal average between the two seems to be less than $0.50, just using higher number to be safe. I have been using almost half and half. I might switch to 87 and remember to go 91 before a good road trip.
 
True no question.

However, higher octane can indirectly increase engine performance in one certain condition: under heavy throttle.

The computer can command more ignition advance. So the engine can extract more of the energy in the fuel.

I use 91 in the mountains. The difference from 87 is noticeable in that the van holds the higher gears longer before downshifting. If the hill isn't too long or too steep, I can sometimes slingshot (i.e. trade speed for throttle) over the top without any downshift at all.

Regardless, I agree with you and the others that anything higher than 87 octane is a waste of money.
Interesting observation! I am sure modern engineering can manipulate Octane rating for some intended purpose.

I spent 4 years in the Navy learning all about jet fuels, and that is one of many properties I still remember.
 
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Interesting discussion. Yeah I guess it might be between 400-500 in savings using 87 octane if you take average $.60 over regular price * 16 gal * 53 weeks +/- 91 octane use intermittent. Acutal average between the two seems to be less than $0.50, just using higher number to be safe. I have been using almost half and half. I might switch to 87 and remember to go 91 before a good road trip.
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I actually was thinking this was a dumb discussion. There is absolutely no reason to use anything other than 87 octane. There is zero benefit of higher octane fuel and it is a complete waste of money. FYI, my other vehicle is a VW Passat that requires 91 octane, so that is what I use. Use the fluids specified for your vehicle/engine.
 
I guess. I heard it sometimes helps during certain conditions. So on vacation trips usually hill areas, I make sure to use 91. Makes not much difference. Since the discussion usually involves money, figured you gotta have the numbers in there somewhere. You can also say things like those that are using 91 over 87 are spending <some amount> more as well. I did see cost mentioned somewhere in the discussion. Meh.
 
I read someplace, (I think Consumer Reports?) that you just use the octane required for your vehicle. So I have only been using 87 in my Odyssey. I usually used 87 when I had a Chrysler 300C with the Hemi even though it recommended (not required) 89 octane for better performance. I never noticed a difference between running 89 or higher octane and 87 octane.
 
However, higher octane can indirectly increase engine performance in one certain condition: under heavy throttle.

The computer can command more ignition advance. So the engine can extract more of the energy in the fuel.

I use 91 in the mountains. The difference from 87 is noticeable in that the van holds the higher gears longer before downshifting. If the hill isn't too long or too steep, I can sometimes slingshot (i.e. trade speed for throttle) over the top without any downshift at all.
Yes, this.

When I was towing my boat in the hottest summer months, I filled up with 91 octane. Under heavy throttle, and repeated trips to the lake and back, the increase in available power under that heavy load was noticeable. It was not earth-shattering, but it was definitely there...enough to convince me that 91 octane was the way to go when towing heavy.

As well, I ended up getting an extra round trip to the lake out of a tank of gas if I used the van only as a dedicated tow vehicle. Also, while filling my Odyssey with 91, I could fill up my small army of 5 gallon gas cans (each with 13 ounces of TC-W3 two-stroke oil for a 50:1 mix), because my big outboard needed 91 as well.

I've been up and down the Tejon Pass (I-5) and Cajon Pass (I-15) many times in our Odysseys, and after the first climbs using 87 with a family of six on board, I decided to switch to 91 for subsequent trips. Again, with heavy throttle, the beneficial difference in power from using 91 octane did show itself.

For all other conditions, at light throttle, I feel that 87 gave me the same range as 91...I couldn't discern a difference when tracking my range from tank to tank.

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So many want to read different meanings into Honda's plain an simple language in the owner's manual. This is what is actually stated in the 2010 OM:

Your vehicle is designed to operate
on unleaded gasoline with a pump
octane number of 87 or higher. Use
of a lower octane gasoline can cause
a persistent, heavy, metallic rapping
noise that can lead to engine damage.


Note the presence of the words "or higher".

The spec establishes a minimum, not a single value. It may be a waste to put in higher octane, but it absolutely meets spec. Interestingly, for my gen 2, it's 86 instead of 87.
 
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I’ve never used anything other than 87 octane in my current cars.

I know people who use higher octane and they “feel” they get more power. But I think it’s all psychological.
 
True no question.

However, higher octane can indirectly increase engine performance in one certain condition: under heavy throttle.

The computer can command more ignition advance. So the engine can extract more of the energy in the fuel.

I use 91 in the mountains. The difference from 87 is noticeable in that the van holds the higher gears longer before downshifting. If the hill isn't too long or too steep, I can sometimes slingshot (i.e. trade speed for throttle) over the top without any downshift at all.

Regardless, I agree with you and the others that anything higher than 87 octane is a waste of money.
This is the right response. You can get improved performance from higher octane due to computer controlled ignition - but by how much is the big debate. I know someone on here or another Honda forum did a real world test when driving cross country. He used all the various octanes and even the non-ethanol fuel. It was actually pretty surprising how much better his MPG was with higher octanes. When he calculated in the extra fuel cost, it balances out more than you might expect, but that was about a year ago when fuel prices were not as high as they are today.
 
So many want to read different meanings into Honda's plain an simple language in the owner's manual. This is what is actually stated in the 2010 OM:

Your vehicle is designed to operate
on unleaded gasoline with a pump
octane number of 87 or higher. Use
of a lower octane gasoline can cause
a persistent, heavy, metallic rapping
noise that can lead to engine damage.


Note the presence of the words "or higher".

The spec establishes a minimum, not a single value. It may be a waste to put in higher octane, but it absolutely meets spec. Interestingly, for my gen 2, it's 86 instead of 87.
Most people on this board probably know and imply that higher octane isn't bad for your vehicle but your wallet.

There was this one time at my local Costco gas station, they were offering premium gas at regular price because they were out of Regular Unleaded. To my surprise, many drivers said no and drove away. I was like Man! I can pump Premium all day long if they offer it at Regular Unleaded price.
 
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