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Lean Fuel P0171, P0174, P1454 - Hard Start after Fueling

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#1 ·
I have a 2015 Odyssey Touring Elite. I have been having a problem after fueling with the vehicle starting. I have to hold down the accelerator to get it to start, and hold the RPM around 2500 - 3000 for 1-2 minutes or the engine will stall out. After that, the engine starts fine until the next fueling.

I have replaced
1. Vapor Canister Purge Valve
2. FTP Sensor on the EVAP Canister.

The check engine light comes and goes as well as some difference in driving and poor fuel economy. The codes when the CEL is on are:
P0171 - Fuel Metering Too Lean
P0174 - Fuel System Too Lean (Left Bank 2)
P1454 FTP Sensor Circuit Range/Performance Problem
P0171 - Fuel Metering Too Lean
P1454 FTP Sensor Circuit Range/Performance Problem

(I know the last 2 repeated).

One thing I notice when removing the gas cap is no pressure release.

Any idea of what to look for? I hate to take to a mechanic, the dealer wanted $600 to replace the Vapor Canister Purge Valve with no guarantee.

Thank you.
 
#4 ·
Typically you have to hold down the gas pedal when the engine is flooded, and that sounds like what is happening on your start after fueling. Holding the pedal down when cranking actually cuts off the fuel and opens the throttle plate for air to quickly solve the over-rich condition. If nothing is wrong with the injectors, etc., the engine will then run normally.
From now on, let the gas nozzle cut off automatically and don't put in any more fuel - you can't 'top-off' today's cars without possibly fouling the EVAP system with raw fuel, which can cause flooding. This might help the flooding after fueling but may or may not be related to some of the codes. Your EVAP system will have to be checked out. Rodents will gnaw on the rubber hoses in the fuel tank area on vehicles where they can get to them. If your canister is contaminated with raw fuel, it will quickly dry up in use and should be okay.
 
#5 ·
When you say you replaced the Vapor Canister Purge Valve, you're referring to the purge valve on top of the engine, correct? This valve is normally closed and the computer opens it (duty cycles it actually) when it wants to burn the vapors in the charcoal canister. If this valve sticks open then when you fuel you'll get all kinds of fuel vapors in the intake manifold during fueling and the car will will be hard to start and act like it's flooded (it is flooded.) You can easily test this valve by removing it and seeing if you can blow through it. It should be air tight when off.