[kernel]

And another perspective, Indy car crashes. In those days, many times the car is almost intact, but the driver died. Now the car disintegrates absorbing the forces, and many times the driver walks away.
For that Olds in the pic, the passenger compartment was basically the crumple zone. And we can see the steering wheel column probably crushed the driver.

 

[HondaOwner124]

Total BS news.

It isn't BS. Its an updated test. Personally I'm glad the tests get harder overtime. They push manufacturers to make their cars safer and safer which benefits everyone.

 

[rondtroy]

Well obviously. These crash tests are a game of cat and mouse. The 6th gen Odyssey will likely fare much better.

Likely. New tests, and Honda was certainly not prepared for them. Some carmakers did better.

 

[FunkyTut]

f = ma, meaning that

• in a two body collision the heavier body experiences less force than the lighter body.
• speed kills.

The proof is in the statistics:

2017-2021 Cars With The Lowest Driver Death Rate

Note that the Odyssey ties for sixth place, one slot behind the Sienna and Outback. Back in 2011 the Odyssey had ZERO fatalities: https://www.fisherhonda.com/safety-pick-odyssey-zero-crash-deaths/. For some reason I thought it repeated the feat in 2015 but I can't find a source.

So drive at a rational speed and relish the safety of driving a three ton vehicle.

 

[bighorns]

I don't plan on getting into an accident.... all's well.

When I had my little BMW coupe, one of the things that made that car so safe was the incredible handling and brakes that helped me to avoid accidents!

 

[adr5]

Total BS news.
Yesterday all 4 of the minivans were the safest family haulers on the planet with top ratings.
Today there is a brand new test that the vehicles were never designed around and now they are death machines. Please....

Seeing how the next generation is already finalized and expected to start production next year I would not expect it to test much better. If this is a brand new crash test then the auto makers have not had time to redesign all slated models for this new crash test as design cycles are started years in advance.

Based on the comments made in the video I think a slight change to the seatbelt anchor points could yield better results. So they might be able to do that before the next gen is released.

 

[davedrivesody]

change to the seatbelt anchor points could yield better results

Yes that may be all it needs.

The shoulder belt on the middle row test dummy looked to be correctly placed before the crash. Then it worked to the side of the rib cage when the crash began, ending up more like a lap belt at the peak of the crash.

Also, the head rest should never have been thrown free like that. However it shouldn't be difficult to design a stronger latch mechanism in time for the 2025 model year.

Those aside, it was amazing that the van's passenger cabin remained intact even when the force of the crash was concentrated on the front corner.

 

[madmax988]

Yes that may be all it needs.

The shoulder belt on the middle row test dummy looked to be correctly placed before the crash. Then it worked to the side of the rib cage when the crash began, ending up more like a lap belt at the peak of the crash.

Also, the head rest should never have been thrown free like that. However it shouldn't be difficult to design a stronger latch mechanism in time for the 2025 model year.

Those aside, it was amazing that the van's passenger cabin remained intact even when the force of the crash was concentrated on the front corner.

Yea watching that headrest come out I wonder if it wasn't clicked in properly. With any new test it's a bit random how cars do. You can't design a car that's perfectly safe in all conditions since all mitigation strategies have positives and negatives. Fixing the headrest latch should be relatively easy, compared to toyota needing to prevent submarining of small children. I wouldn't be surprised if given manufacturers wanting to get all 5 star ratings for minivans which are sold on safety, for 2025 models to maybe switch to adjustable height shoulder belts, or built in booster seats.

It also looks in the videos like the seatbelt is extending quite a bit before locking because the dummy kid doesn't weigh enough, maybe they can somehow adjust that based on weight? Hopefully we don't end up those horrible seatbelts I hated as a child that cars like late 90's tahoe had in the back, where basically it locked as soon as you sat down and just kept ratcheting tighter if you dared inhale too deep of breath. Those are obviously less safe since as kids we were constantly taking them off to readjust while driving. BUT I'M sure if you had that ridiculously tight belt on during an accident you barely moved an inch!
You aren't going to see airbags coming from back of front seats anytime soon, since they would be super complicated due to car seats, and all the other various different positions rear seat pax of different sizes could be in (and an airbag set for the wrong condition would be far more dangerous than no airbag). Not to mention it's not really needed since the front seat is mostly a softer material, front windshields are mostly to keep pax from hitting heads on windshield /dashboard/steering wheel and one reason they have to be so powerful and overcompensating is the law requires them to not kill unbelted passengers.

Realize also in the 2nd video they are wording it very carefully, the 2nd row is still safer than 1st row, it's just children out of car seats are more easily injured in these situations and they aren't supposed to be in front.

 

[Soldier_of_the_Cross]

The back seat occupant was seriously injured and actually popped the rear headrest all the way out of the vehicle.

If you look close, the airbag hit the headrest release!