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Hey all,

2016 EX-L with 85k miles. I've gotten the dreaded P0776: "A/T Cutch Pressure Control Solenoid Valve B Stuck Off" that is accompanied by an occasional hard shift from second to third gear around 20 mph. If I had to guess I would say the hard shift happens ~10% of the time. On the rare occasions it has happened 2-3 times in a row, we can power cycle the van and it will stop, which is interesting to me.

I have replaced the third gear pressure switch a month or two ago, and have been doing ATF drain and fills and just completed my third this past weekend (but haven't had a chance to really drive it or get the ATF good and mixed up). That being said, after two drain and fills the problem still persisted, so I am doubtful this third one will help much.

I'm a bit unsure as to my next step. Many comments online seem to indicate that I'm probably heading for a new transmission. But is it possible that the solenoid itself can be addressed / replaced, or is is more likely you really have to replace the whole secondary valve body assembly? There aren't many videos or information online about this, which means it might well be beyond my level of competency. I have done larger projects like my valve cover gasket, but is this an instance where I probably just need to take it to my mechanic or a transmission shop-- or is there something else I can possibly look into before taking that step?

For what it's worth, we do plan to keep driving for now and will see if this third drain and fill helps. But I also want to be proactive rather than waiting for the day the transmission craps out on my wife and kids. Any help would be appreciated!
 
I just commented a few months ago about this same issue seen here>
solenoid valve b stuck off - New Transmission needed? | Honda Odyssey Forum (odyclub.com)

First off, do you have the latest software update for your PCM?

You seem to be going through the exact thing I went through last year.
As stated before>

It is likely either the pressure switch that controls the solenoid, which is easily replaced, or the solenoid B itself is stuck.

If the solenoid itself is stuck unfortunately, it's integrated into the Secondary Valve Body Assembly which can be quite costly.

After verifying latest PCM software updates, the first thing to do would be a 3x drain and fill with proper ATF, which it seems you are doing now.
Then likely change out the pressure switch, which it looks like you've also performed. Plenty of info in this forum on this issue. IIRC MrRangerZr1 has a video on this.
Now your options are> Either the change secondary valve body assembly, or install a low mileage take-out transmission, whichever is more cost effective.

I've never heard of anyone attempting to change out the solenoid from the secondary valve assembly as it looks to be crimped/pressed into the main body. I'm not saying it's impossible though.

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This is super helpful. Thanks. I am actually not certain if I have the latest software. I bought this van about a year ago, and when I started having this problem 2 months ago, I called Honda to see if there were any software updates needed for my van. When they pulled my VIN they said they didn't see any software updates needed. But I realize "them not seeing anything" is not the same as confirming that it's been done. I'll plan to call back and press in more.

What did you end up doing in your situation? I can't decide if this needs to be addressed urgently or if we're ok to drive it for a while (the transmission has almost zero issues once we get past 2-3 gear shift, and even that issue is only sometimes). I'm leaning toward taking it to a transmission shop and seeing what they think and what the ballpark cost would be for the two options you outlined.
 
Sticking shift solenoids are common with the 6-speeds with Honda DW-1. My advice would be to use Full Synthetic Valvoline MaxLife ATF. It solves shift solenoid issues. I’d do at least 2 separate drain and fills back to back and plan a 3rd a later allowing the new fluid to clean.
Wait until you find out they've already been doing that and it didn't help them.
 
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Yes, I've been using Valvoline MaxLife ATF. I had done two drain and fills with 1,000 miles of driving in between, and just did my third drain and fill this past weekend.

The drain and fills might have helped some. It's hard to quantify an issue like this because I'm not the primary driver (my wife is). But the issue definitely still persists.
 
This is super helpful. Thanks. I am actually not certain if I have the latest software. I bought this van about a year ago, and when I started having this problem 2 months ago, I called Honda to see if there were any software updates needed for my van. When they pulled my VIN they said they didn't see any software updates needed. But I realize "them not seeing anything" is not the same as confirming that it's been done. I'll plan to call back and press in more.

What did you end up doing in your situation? I can't decide if this needs to be addressed urgently or if we're ok to drive it for a while (the transmission has almost zero issues once we get past 2-3 gear shift, and even that issue is only sometimes). I'm leaning toward taking it to a transmission shop and seeing what they think and what the ballpark cost would be for the two options you outlined.
I actually ended up finding a low-mileage (around 50k) takeout transmission with a warranty for about the same price as a new secondary valve assembly, and did a full R&R in my garage with a friend of mine assisting.

I didn't quite have the time to pull an " @eksine ", but I would've loved to, as transmissions are a true work of art and can be fun to work with.

Replacing the secondary valve assembly doesn't seem very complicated though. It just has a lot of electrical connections and a few fasteners that need to be torqued properly.
 
Sticking shift solenoids are common with the 6-speeds with Honda DW-1.
So MUCH hatred towards DW-1. Do you have actual evidence that DW-1 is causing these sticky solenoids or is it just the anecdotal hatered filled evidence to favor MaxLife?
 
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Yes, I've been using Valvoline MaxLife ATF. I had done two drain and fills with 1,000 miles of driving in between, and just did my third drain and fill this past weekend.
Oh boy. Now what @Nail Grease? Amsoil ATF?

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So MUCH hatred towards DW-1. Do you have actual evidence that DW-1 is causing these sticky solenoids or is it just the anecdotal hatered filled evidence to favor MaxLife?
I’ve been on the Honda forums enough to see a trend. This Odyssey forum has been plagued with shift solenoid issues. I believe that to be for the few advocates for VML and a trendy OEM crowd. Respectfully. I have a Crosstour that was converted to VML at 101k miles and has never needed a shift solenoid replaced (now at 311k). I attribute that to using VML.
 
I’ve been on the Honda forums enough to see a trend. This Odyssey forum has been plagued with shift solenoid issues. I believe that to be for the few advocates for VML and a trendy OEM crowd. Respectfully. I have a Crosstour that was converted to VML at 101k miles and has never needed a shift solenoid replaced (now at 311k). I attribute that to using VML.
So. Hatered filled anecdotal evidence it is.

In the same fashion, there are hoards who believe Z1 was the problem instead of the blatant design flaw in the 2nd gen transmissions too.

VML is very well recommended here as well. There aren’t that many OEM fanboys here either. My only problem with you is putting down DW-1 WITHOUT a shred of actual evidence. Like I said before, I plan to use VML myself once my current stock of DW-1 runs out.
 
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So. Hatered filled anecdotal evidence it is.

In the same fashion, there are hoards who believe Z1 was the problem instead of the blatant design flaw in the 2nd gen transmissions too.

VML is very well recommended here as well. There aren’t that many OEM fanboys here either. My only problem with you is putting down DW-1 WITHOUT a shred of actual evidence. Like I said before, I plan to use VML myself once my current stock of DW-1 runs out.
What would you call evidence?

I do live by my experiences. I do own 3 Honda V6 vehicles and care for a family members 2014 6-speed Accord an another family members 2011 Acura TL and a close family friends 2011 Honda Pilot. Isn’t amazing that none of these vehicles have had shift solenoid issues?
 
So. Hatered filled anecdotal evidence it is.

In the same fashion, there are hoards who believe Z1 was the problem instead of the blatant design flaw in the 2nd gen transmissions too.

VML is very well recommended here as well. There aren’t that many OEM fanboys here either. My only problem with you is putting down DW-1 WITHOUT a shred of actual evidence. Like I said before, I plan to use VML myself once my current stock of DW-1 runs out.
"In the same fashion, there are hoards who believe Z1 was the problem instead of the blatant design flaw in the 2nd gen transmissions too."

Any REAL proof to back up that above quote?
Thanks,

Buffalo4
 
"In the same fashion, there are hoards who believe Z1 was the problem instead of the blatant design flaw in the 2nd gen transmissions too."

Any REAL proof to back up that above quote?
Thanks,

Buffalo4
Yes. The passage redesigns done aftermarket for the older than 2004.5 trannies and the redesigned 2004.5 and later ones which ran on Z1 fine till DW1 was introduced may be?
 
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