At the end of the day you'll be just fine even with the cheaper oils. Much like batteries, there are only a few different companies out there actually making the oil.

There is no conventional 0W-20. Just use synthetic and you'll be good to go.

 

Blackstone oil analysis did a podcast last year where they did over hundreds of thousands of oil samples, they saw NO benefit with synthetic oils vs SP rated blends.
Even expensive, not shelf , oils did not do any better.

 

The problem with that is UOAs don’t tell you certain things. They only tell you the makeup of the used oil and metals/contaminants in the oil.

 

98k miles on the original oil?
that is frugal...I'd say you're due!



jokes aside, if you want to cut costs, the supertech synthetic at walmart is very good oil and the cheapest out there.
I use the penzoil platinum synthetic from walmart.

 

the supertech synthetic at walmart is very good oil and the cheapest out there.

Unfortunately, at least in my region of the country, the conventional, synthetic blend, and full synthetic Supertech oils have been put on clearance for incredible prices -- like a 5 quart jug of full synthetic for $14 -- and sold out like hot cakes and/or cleared from the shelves. (The SuperTech "ADVANCED full synthetic" is still available but as it is $27 for a 5 quart jug there are other cheaper options out there.)
Apparently, SuperTech oil is going away, to be replaced by a Quaker State branded oil that will be cheaper than their regular offerings. (Got that from the lady at the counter so take it with a grain of salt.)

 

When I was buying a lot of oil for my oil-hungry Accord I bought Quaker State 5W-20 from Walmart. Fairly cheap and got the job done adequately.

I was considering switching to the Costco 5W-20 and was ready to order 10 quarts but something told me not to...then a few days later the car was totaled. Intuition wins

 

If it’s the black label, it’s their entry level. Platinum would be the one you want.

 

Either of the Pennzoil offerings will work well, but I would get the one that is cheapest after sale/rebate. Right now that is Platinum or Ultra Platinum if you buy ten qts.

IT PAYS TO PROTECT YOUR ENGINE

2023 Pennzoil Platinum National Promotion

www.pennzoil.com

 

Walmart's Supertech oil is an interesting case of a well-performing oil that's not made by one of the well-known brands. The reason is that Supertech oil is made by Warren Oil Company International, but also

ExxonMobil and Pennzoil.


Sept 24, 2021

Look what a quick Google search dies...

 

On your fine machine, I would only use
Mobil 1 Extended Performance High Mileage 0W-20; 5QT,

for now, check back in 6 months to see if my recomm., b. o. bobisoilguy test results, thanks! [there's rebates]

ps i only use the mobil 1 110a filter due to test results, also, changed it today, after 18k miles!

 

I also use Mobil1 fully synthetic extended performance (15k or 20k) only on all my Hondas. My annual driving is between 6-8k but I changed my oil/filter between 8-12 months no matter what the mileage used. Is cheaper at Walmart n even get rebate every now n then n reduce price special on 5qt container simetimes.

 

Ryan Stark of Blackstone Labs speaks w/ SaabTalkLive

Conv vs Syn Goes over some Saab UOA Opinion on ST and AmazonB (Warren Dist) Etc...

bobistheoilguy.com

It was not this post on Bob....but the idea is the same.
All you expensive syn oil users pls watch.

 

Wow, while there is SOME merit in what he sez a lot certainly does NOT agree with what I see as a professional engine builder.

 

Two 1996 articles about Consumer Reports oil testing in NY taxis are an interesting read..........
Short version

Two-Year, N.Y. Taxi Test Proves Motor Oils Alike, Magazine Says | The Seattle Times

Long version

Consumer Reports:Truth Motor Oils- July 1996

Yamaha XS/XJ 1100 Owners Association - information for owners of Yamaha XS Eleven and XJ 1100 Maxim motorcycles manufactured from 1978-1982.

www.xs11.com

 

That is so old it is meaningless. Modern oils are much better than anything from 1996.

 

Freedom to go further (mobil.com)

10 dollar rebate til end of month on 5 qt. jug (25 @ WallyWorld) You can't do it much cheaper no matter what other flavor you like.

 

Freedom to go further (mobil.com)

10 dollar rebate til end of month on 5 qt. jug (25 @ WallyWorld) You can't do it much cheaper no matter what other flavor you like.

A $10 prepaid Visa card is not a rebate. I hate that predatory crap. Why not just discount the actual shelf price? Because corporations know they can count on consumer greed these days to trick anyone.

 

Yeah, I used to buy SuperTech near exclusively and really considered it the best buy. Now that i have made the switch to using synthetic (whatever you want to call the natural gas stock stuff) I just don't find it to be anymore. I also always got my check and now card in the mail

Three years ago tho it was for max 4 jugs. That was 5 GALLONS of Mobil 1 for 50 dollars after mail-in rebate. (Yea, I hated seeing them go to the card too but I still play as I usually only use 1 a year) If it's trickery, at least it's a lubricant.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken but back in the '90s when SuperTech came out, I was told then it was made by QuakerState.
I bought it anyway (laughs, Texas vs, Penn. oil rivalry humor)

I was a Havoline man as a youngster.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken but back in the '90s when SuperTech came out, I was told then it was made by QuakerState.
I bought it anyway (laughs, Texas vs, Penn. oil rivalry humor)

I was a Havoline man as a youngster.

Shoot, back then, it could have been made/blended/labeled by anyone. Shit was like the wild west in the 90s and early-mid 2000s.

 

Just like most other consumer tricks - like rebates that aren't really rebates - 20k oil is a sham. As explained in the video above it's labeled as such because it CAN protect your engine for up to 20k miles, but (ASTERISK-- look on the bottle!) if you don't still follow the auto manufacturers specified oil change interval recommendation, if something happened to your engine, the warranty is voided.
So if you still need to be changing your oil every 5000 miles or so, what's the point of paying the extra money for 20k mile oil?
Man there are some real suckers out there.

 

Just like most other consumer tricks - like rebates that aren't really rebates - 20k oil is a sham. As explained in the video above it's labeled as such because it CAN protect your engine for up to 20k miles, but (ASTERISK-- look on the bottle!) if you don't still follow the auto manufacturers specified oil change interval recommendation, if something happened to your engine, the warranty is voided.
So if you still need to be changing your oil every 5000 miles or so, what's the point of paying the extra money for 20k mile oil?
Man there are some real suckers out there.

You sure seem to be stuck on just because something says X, that people have to use it like that. There are people that use 20k oil for only 5k or 10k miles, gasp!

Often times, the longer extended interval oils will contain better and higher quality base stocks, less VMs, more FMs, and/or other AW additives that might be found in less quantities in a regular interval oil not meant for extended intervals.

Again, it's about choice and freedom, just like anything else. Stereo equipment, there's high end and low end. Guns, there's high end and low end. Tools, there's high end and low end. Why do you feel that motor oil would be any different?

Again, I don't run my oil to 20k or even 10k so I don't really give two craps about there being a 20k but I'm also not conceited and obtuse enough to tell others what they can or can't use...nor care what they use. You feel ST is the best bang for the buck oil, that's awesome. Some other people don't. Other people like Mobil 1 oil or Valvoline or Castrol or HPL or Redline or Amsoil or Motul or LiquiMoly or Honda or TGMO or Kendall or Pennzoil or QS or Rotella, etc.

 

...and would an oil filter last 20K miles?

 

Absolutely, some can and do. BITOG has tons of C&Ps of oil filters, ones that have gone 20k+ as well and have held up. Would I go that long? No, but other people have and do.

 

I had never mentioned 20k mile oil until you brought it up in your argument that SuperTech 20k mile oil had gone up in price, in your defense of buying Mobil 1. So I was wondering why you specified THAT particular weight of oil. YOU introduced it into the argument, not me.
You're also the one who said flat out that Mobil 1 is a better oil. I could give a crap what you use or how you waste your money. No one is telling you what to buy, but YOU most certainly are telling OTHERS what to get. Stop saying stuff in this thread and then trying to spin it around to make it sound like you have a problem with other posters in this thread saying stuff when it's YOU that's saying it.

 

Their 20k oil is their top of the line oil, akin to Mobil 1's EP oil, so I was using both of them in the comparison.

Odysseyraceteam mentioned in post #28, there was a Mobil 1 rebate so it was making Mobil 1 cheaper. I said nothing about it until he mentioned it.
I merely mentioned that if someone wanted to buy it, there was also a rebate at Oreillys, so they could get it even cheaper. Imagine being this angry at someone offering choices and a way to save money for people on an excellent oil.

Then you went off about some stupid pedantic "a rebate is not a REBATE SHAM DEBACLE!/11/" rant like a psycho. As part of that, YOU yourself said, "Why not just go to WalMart and buy the already much cheaper (and as good as anything else) SuperTech oil where you're saving money right off the shelf? When will people learn." so yes, you were telling people what to buy.

Then I said that ST's 20k oil, their top of the line oil, was now $26-27/jug, the same as M1 EP's, or if you use rebates, M1 EP's oil is now cheaper with rebate.

Then you flipped out again like a psycho.

And now, here we are, with you telling everyone on the forum that no one is telling anyone what to buy (you did), saying that I told other's what to buy (I didn't but merely offered a choice of getting a good oil even cheaper with rebate), not to mention that a 20k branded oil is not a "weight", it's an interval. A motor oil weight would be something like 0w20 or 5w30, not the mileage it's rated at.

tl;dr - literally nothing you've said is true and now you're literally making shit up.



ps. yes, M1 EP is a better oil than SuperTech's 10k oil.

 

Wow, man you really need to calm down and stop enraging yourself like a raving maniac in all your posts. We get it, you love Mobil 1 and are willing to pay anything for it. Even though SuperTech and dozens of other cheaper oils are just as good, you want to forcefully influence everyone's decision by lying about one oil being better than another. OK we understand, you have the mentality that because something is more expensive, it must be the best, even going so far as to ignore the fact that you're not really saving any money at all on the more expensive oil when the rebate is actually a gift card, NOT money off the actual product, thereby forcing you to purchase even MORE just to reap the benefits of said gift card.
Folks, the prime example of American consumer capitalist brainwashed misguidedness right here.

 

Yeesh, you really need to seek help.

 

Let's review the mentality of this typical American consumer.
Tyman insists that Mobil 1, the most expensive oil on the shelf, is better than anything else. (Consumer pitfall #1: assuming a product must be better because it is the most expensive, with no proof whatsoever.) He also insists that a $10 O'Reillys gift card as a "rebate" somehow saves him money. (Consumer pitfall #2: assuming any special incentive program must lead to a great deal.)
Tyman spends the $30 on a 5 qt jug of Mobil 1. Then he sends off for the $10 gift card that saves him money. But, wait- he can only use that $10 gift card to save money on Mobil 1, if he buys ANOTHER 5 qt jug of Mobil 1. So, when he could have simply saved money up front on any other just as good motor oil, he ended up spending $50 total, because he HAD to buy a second jug to be able apply the one time savings to it. Not only that, but during the time it took to actually receive the gift card in the mail, Mobil 1 has long since discontinued their $10 gift card "rebate" program.
All this, when SuperTech and other just as good motor oils are sitting there on the shelf at everyday lower prices.
Pathetic.

 

I love how Scotty Kilmer is used as a supposedly valid source.

 

Definitely the 'best' part of the thread...

-Charlie

 

At 98k mi, I'm due for an oil change. I've had it changed with Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic which has worked well. Walmart has Pennzoil full synthetic on sale and it posts the same API endorsement and specs but it's not Platinum. Honda's manual says to use any 0w-20 that is API certified is When I drain and refill some will mix which oil left in

How often do you change your oil and filter? That IMHO is gonna be more important than the slight difference you’re noting above.

 

It really comes down to your driving style.
If I did all highway driving I might push a good syn oil that far on a newer non DI engine.

Our driving style, city, short tripping, one vehicle is a turbo DI engine.....NO WAY.

We do every 4 -6 months regardless of kms.

 

I have used the Walmart brand Super Tech full synthetic oil for some time now. I'm at 109K and have had no oil related issues. Costco branded full synthetic oil is also a good low cost oil. I suggest watching the project farm youtube channel to see him test oils.

 

ST and Kirkland oil are virtually identical and blended by Highline Warren nowadays. They are very good entry level synthetic oils.

 

I've had 350k miles on Mobil-1 and Purolator One filter. I'm sticking with that. I buy both for $34 and my mechanic just charges me $15 for labor for the change.

 

That’s a good combo.

 

You might want to view this. Certainly not definitive but there are VERY few tests like it that I have seen.
FWIW I'm an ASE Certified Master Machinist with 56 years' experience rebuilding engines of ALL types. I have torn apart and inspected literally thousands of engines.
I use Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic in all my engines.
(77) Are They All The Same Motor Oil? Let's Settle This! Four Levels of Pennzoil Motor Oil Compared - YouTube

 

This is more of testimony for synthetic oil, in my case Mobil 1 from Costco. I took my '90 Accord to 417,000+ miles using M1. I rarely did a change and do you know when I added oil? When the light went on. A couple of times it took 5 - 1/2 qts!

The engine would have kept going ANOTHER 417K but the poor body frame gave out here in the salt-ridden Midwest.

 

This is more of testimony for synthetic oil, in my case Mobil 1 from Costco. I took my '90 Accord to 417,000+ miles using M1. I rarely did a change and do you know when I added oil? When the light went on. A couple of times it took 5 - 1/2 qts!

The engine would have kept going ANOTHER 417K but the poor body frame gave out here in the salt-ridden Midwest.

so it sounds like it burned quite a bit. Technically that set up is really hard on engines, but if burn fast enough,and replenished fairly often, then often the oil is ok. But in today's engines, very likely to end up with coked up everything or engine damage even by 100K