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Sliding door problems after middle roller replacement SOLVED

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#1 ·
First off, both driver and passenger side sliding doors were working fine before I began.

Driver side middle roller replacement went smooth. And I didn't even mark the placement of old roller before I unbolted it. The dirt marks seemed to serve a good enough guide for bolting back on the new roller assembly.

Because I did notice the slightest "binding" just past the bend in the track, I made a small adjustment after testing even though it wasn't causing any issue when opening or closing. The small adjustment was an improvement, and everything on the driver side sliding door is working perfect.

For the passenger side, I decided to go ahead and mark the location before unbolting the old roller. While detaching/re-attaching the cable, and hinge pin was a little more difficult...replacing the roller on this side went smoothly also.

So I was confused when the door didn't close or latch properly on testing.

These are the results of testing: On opening (after manually closing) the door using driver master controls, it attempts to open - latches open and door budges, but it seems blocked. Door moves back to closed and warning system beeps.

When opening using the doors ext. handle and tugging some outward, it opens fully.

When closing using any method (master control, ext. & int door handle), it gets as far as the bend in the track, "hits" something, beeps three times and returns to full open position.

When closing using any method and giving a little push past the bend, it reaches the latch, "hits" something, beeps three times and stops.

When closing door manually with master controls off, the door glides entire track, engages the latch and "auto-closes" completely. No beeping.

I spent at least a couple hours searching videos and threads to find some help. I bought the PDF service manual from eManualOnline. I've made numerous adjustments to the position of the middle roller assembly on the door. But haven't figured it out. I also pulled fuse #7 and performed sliding door reset.

I will greatly appreciate any help members here can offer.

When I found this Ody Club post, I thought it would yield a solution. It did help me find the spring on the lower door latch was missing on both sides; but it doesn't appear that is an issue here.

I also found the upper rail door bumpers missing on both sides (with the help of this video); but again it doesn't appear to be an issue.

I plan to clean and service the upper and lower track areas, but the condition of these areas wasn't an issue before.

I also figure to service and grease the motorized latches, but I hear them engage so pretty sure that's not where my issue is.

The upper rail door bumpers are on order. And I'm looking for a replacement spring for the lower latches (found broken spring in lower well: ss extension spring, approx. 30mm/1-3/25" L x 5.7mm/.224" W).

Hopefully this describes well my issue. If posting a video would help, lmk. I will update once this is resolved.

Glad to join Ody Club. I posted introduction here.

Thanks in advance.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Make sure the hinged part of roller assembly isn't binding for what ever reason.
Rollers must work, but it's a hinge too, and must move smooth too at hinge pivot points.

Just a thought that some overlook/ discount.

1/4 the time it is the hinge portion that is corroded/binding that is causing issues.
The pin with C/E clip. Lube it.

Just sharing a possible angle

May need to reset doors. Pull # 7 fuse. Work doors manual close. Reset fuse. Power on, use switch/fob.
 
#4 ·
Thanks Bear.

The hinge pivots freely. Applied grease to pins on both sides before reinserting. When I manually close door, no binding at all. And the door slides easily around bend even. Will do fuse reset again.

Don't recall exact procedure. Something like: pull fuse #7, close doors manually, replace fuse, turn key to on, open door with master control.

Find several fuse reset procedures. Appreciate input on which is best.
 
#6 ·
I'll try these procedures, found in the service manual I purchased online.

"To reset the system, fully close the sliding
door manually. Once the battery terminals are reconnected or No. 7 (7.5 A) fuse in the driver's
under-dash fuse/relay box is replaced, the power sliding door system will automatically reset.
Make sure the power sliding door operates properly."

Re-homing:
"1. Erase the sliding door DTCs by removing the No. 7 fuse from the under-dash fuse/relay box.
2. Turn off the Main switch for the doors. Make sure the ignition switch is in LOCK (0).
3. Fully close the power sliding door manually (the control unit must see the full latch switch
and the ratchet switch closed at the same time).
4. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II). Turn on the Main switch.
5. Test the door operation with the power sliding door switch, the remote transmitter, and the
door handles."
 
#7 ·
#8 ·
I'm fairly sure your issue is mechanical, not electrical. I know you said you've tried adjusting it, but this really does sound like a center roller alignment issue.
 
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#11 · (Edited)
My passenger side door does this on occasion. I haven't tried this yet, gonna try it now. Your thread isn't useless if it helps someone else too. Mine is most likely mechanical, the previous owner said he replaced the sliding roller on that side.

Well after the reset procedure, 10 opens and 10 closes of my passenger side door yielded no errors. Hopefully that was all it needed. Thanks for posting.
 
#13 ·
The reset worked GREAT! For exactly one week. My passenger side door symptoms came back.

Sometimes my door, when closed, will unlatch, beep 3 times, and re-latch without ever moving. The next attempt to open the door either yields the same result or the door opens with no issue.

Sometimes when open, the door will do nothing when you try to close it, beep 3 times, and remain open. The next attempt either yields the same result or the door will close with no issue.

The only thing I know about this door is that the previous owner replaced the center roller on that side shortly before I purchased it.

I have no dash lights and I have NEVER had to manually open or close either door. Not really sure where else to post this as similar issues I've read about mention a door error light and I've never had one.
 
#16 ·
After my coffee I realized I'd omitted a major part of the symptoms. It didn't help me find anything however.

Upon opening, the door unlatches, and there is the sound of a free spinning motor (as opposed to a bound motor), the door sucks back in and latches closed all while the three beeps sound.

I do not know if the free spinning motor sound accompanies the failure to close as well though. I stood outside for 20 minutes non-stop opening and closing the door and it functioned properly the entire time. Yesterday it was every 2nd or 3rd time opening or closing.

Since I bought the van my gut had been telling me I need to dissect the motor to look for damage or lack of lubrication.
 
#17 ·
Perhaps the alignment of the center roller is off?
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
#18 ·
This is exactly the problem I've been hoping I have since I'm not enthused about accessing the innards of the motor. I am unsure how to proceed checking the alignment on the roller, however.

When I replaced my driver side center roller I supported it with a jack, it didn't budge, and I had zero issues lining it back up. I don't know what happened during the previous owner's passenger side install however.
 
#19 ·
If the gaps around the door are all even, good chance that there's no issue with the roller alignment. However since you replaced the driver side roller, check the passenger side since you're unsure about it. It's possible that the height is correct for the gaps, but the roller might be skewed causing issues as it rolls around the first bend. With the door supported, loosen the center roller bolts and double check that it's perpendicular to the track. On second thought- remove the bolts completely and verify that the center roller hinge is moving smoothly. You don't have to remove it from the cable to check this. Reassemble and test.
 
#24 ·
As I drove home, eager to mess with the door, my entire front-end shook so violently during braking from 75mph to 30mph at an interchange that I thought a tie-rod broke. Tried to replicate it again and couldn't. Smooth sailing all the way home. Spent the last of my daylight giving the wheels hell and manhandling the suspension and finding nothing loose but my stabilizer bar bushings. The door just got bumped down the list once again.

I have a cursed driveway, by the way. All who park in it are befallen with automotive woes. I was once given a car for free because it broke down in my driveway. If I were literate I could write a book! :ROFLMAO:

Apologies for derailing this thread.
 
#26 ·
The title says "Solved". Or what exactly is the problem you are having?
 
#28 ·
I am not a member of this club as of yet, but about 2 years ago I managed to purchase an 07 odyssey and one of the main issues that gave me a dirt cheap price was the fact that the back doors did not function at all... I was told to open them and they would fall off... So I started by opening the passenger side first and the middle rollers were completely gone and the track was extremely beat up from random people beating and prying on it... I didn't currently have the money for the rollers... I actually took the hinge off and the guide rollers that are horizontal were completely disintegrated... So I took some machine screws and nuts and washers and manufactured my own rollers... Anyhow while I was trying to figure it out, I started looking at the drive cables and realized that the cables on the driver's side were fine, but the cables on the passenger side had the plastic coating on the wires cracked in random places down the length of the cable as you would expect old plastic to get old and brittle anyhow they would catch at every place the plastic coating was cracked only when the power open was engaged. But would slide smoothly when manually operating the door. So that may be where you need to focus on your issues? Hopefully this helps
 
#29 ·
Welcome to the OdyClub! :giggle:
I didn't currently have the money for the rollers...
Check out the Sliding Door Mega-thread, and look for the link to the $5 sliding door roller repair. But I am finding the $5 fix is only lasing about 2 years for me. Currently working on a $10 update on this- to be updated later!
 
#30 ·
Does the bottom roller hinge allow adjustments to close the gap?

In my case, the gap is between the front and rear driver side doors, especially at the top.

Adjusting the middle roller hinge made no discernable difference. I attempted it about five times.

Months ago, I adjusted the plate with thr u-hook, and it definitely pulled the door tighter inwardly.
 
#32 ·
The center roller assembly can make these adjustments. If you notice the holes on the brackets, they're square to allow up, down, forward, and backward adjustment. Loosen the 2 bolts, but leave them tight enough that the bracket will not move without tapping it with a hammer. Tap the bracket with a hammer with one hand while the other hand holds the door. Resnug the bolts and test it. Not right? Do it again. Got it good? Torque the bolts down. Go crazy experimenting with adjustments. Making marks before adjusting will give you an idea of which way to go.