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Some Hypermiling tricks from my Prius paid off in the Odyssey - 29.7 mpg!

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#1 ·
Using some tricks I learned from driving my new Prius, I was able to achieve a 29 mpg tank in my fully loaded Odyssey on the family trip earlier this year! Pretty amazing that the fully loaded Odyssey Touring Elite with 4 and their luggage can get this kind of mileage.

Best way to get good mileage I found was to not use cruise control and do my best to keep the engine in Eco mode. I'd speed up on downhills (called driving with load) and carry the speed as much as I could possible on uphills.



Total trip mileage, which includes lots of idling with AC on for pets comfort at frequent stops...



I was always sorely disappointed in my 2005 Odyssey Touring's mileage, 20 was the norm on the highway. This 2012 Odyssey does a lot better. :)
 
#2 ·
What was your average highway speed, and was there any stop and go or just all highway? Those two factors make more of a difference than anything.

Wouldn't it be neat if there was special eco cruise mode button on the Odyssey that would force the Odyssey to stay in 6th gear and run only on 3 cylinders on the highway? The concept would be that you'd set a target speed and it would apply up to a certain amount of throttle to maintain that speed, but if it couldn't, it would just accept a loss of speed. So say you set a 65 mph cruise and start going up a hill... normally the Odyssey would switch to 6 cylinders... possibly even down shift if the hill is steep enough. But in this imaginary mode, it would just lose speed while maintaining efficiency, and make the speed back up once the ground leveled out.

Of course there'd have to be some sort of maximum speed loss before the mode temporarily disengaged.. like maybe 10 mph maximum before it gave up and switched back to 6 cyl.
 
#4 ·
That's really impressive! Recently I took a short trip up to Vail CO - 3 hr drive each way - obviously mountain driving. Only 2 of us in the van but got 28.2 mpg round trip. I thought that was pretty darn good - and I have the EX-L transmission.

We also went from CO to South Dakota, then Iowa.......... about 4-5 ppl in the van, fully loaded. Got 26.4 mpg with that.
Sorry no pictures, forgot to do that!
 
#8 ·
That's really impressive! Recently I took a short trip up to Vail CO - 3 hr drive each way - obviously mountain driving. Only 2 of us in the van but got 28.2 mpg round trip. I thought that was pretty darn good - and I have the EX-L transmission.//
The final drive ratio is quite small: 4.31 versus 4.25 so one wouldn't think the difference would be too significant.

Is that the trip computer MPG or actual calculated? We haven't had our Ody long enough to calculate the difference yet but every other car I've owned the trip computer readout was 0.5 to 1.1mpg higher on the dash than the mpg calculated from tank to tank.
 
#6 ·
I was in the ''mountains" of Tennessee during this tank.

Here is average speed, which includes a couple of stops. I was driving mostly 70-75 with little traffic.

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#9 ·
^^^ Thanks.

While I'm happy with the mileage on the highway, when my wife drives it in her daily kids/shopping/sitting in school like with AC running, it gets 14 mpg.

I tried to get her to get a Prius which can run on battery for a long time with AC on, but that was no go! lol

I forgot to mention I pumped the tires up to 40 psi for the trip. That's another hypermiling trick from the Prius world that makes a good difference.

The mileage you see is indicated. I didn't calculate actual, but if it's anything like the Prius it's 3% optimistic. I was just happy to get a 500 mile tank out of the Odyssey (filled at 510). I've gotten a 600 mile out of 10.2 gallons in my Prius but I wouldn't chance it with my family...I ran 50 miles past the "distance to empty=0" to get that 600 mile tank. Turns out I had more to go, the tank holds over 11 gallons usable and I only put in 10.2.
 
#10 ·
Funny. I started driving differently when I got the Odyssey doing the exact same things you mention to maximize fuel economy. Then, when we got my wife's 2013 Prius in May I immediately was getting very good mileage in it vs. my wife who doesn't have a lot of experience in the van. After coaching her, she is doing a great job with mileage all the time now.
 
#11 ·
^^^ sounds like you and I are birds of a feather with our toys and our penchant for good mpg as well!
 
#12 ·
^^^^^No kidding. :D
 
#14 ·
I never cause a traffic problem, always run with the pack.
 
#30 ·
Good for you. I hate those hyper milers who disrupt traffic. Especially when im in my crew cab truck. If they slow in front of me, well then they take that risk. :).

I've gotten 30+ in the odyssey with cruise at 72 on flat roads no ac on. Our norm mixed is 20-22. Pretty good really for its size.


And I don't blame your wife for not wanting a prius. Nobody wants one if given a choice. Yuck. Lol
 
#19 ·
It's an interesting discussion. I admit to being wary of ultra-milers myself as I suspect some of them are doing it as a purely narcissistic practice and are not aware of the fuel-wasting maneuvers they are necessitating from the other drivers that have to deal with them. I may be wrong about that; I'm obviously skeptical if not simply cynical.

Personally, I've been driving a Mini Cooper for the past 3+ years and my wife, a 2012 Hyundai Accent (no kids here). Switching now to the 2011 Ody, I'm reminded of what it's like to drive a car that has me thinking about fuel consumption. It's a very different experience.

The Mini and the Accent are both so light that you can toss them around at will and it makes little difference to the MPG so it's never really on my mind. OTOH, I can't get past the feeling of pouring gas into the engine by the cupful in the Honda.
 
#25 ·
It's an interesting discussion. I admit to being wary of ultra-milers myself as I suspect some of them are doing it as a purely narcissistic practice and are not aware of the fuel-wasting maneuvers they are necessitating from the other drivers that have to deal with them. I may be wrong about that; I'm obviously skeptical if not ........
Oh, so you've also noticed that the Obama-Biden & Elizabeth Warren stickers on the back of a Prius entitles the driver to lead a left-lane parade?:(
 
#20 ·
I have a 4x4 truck, 13 mpg, a 10 second Vette and a 59 mpg Prius so I run the gamut.


What I have found is that you can drive with traffic and never cause an issue and improve your mileage pretty dramatically...the key is driving smoothly.

I also notice the 3 cylinder mode and 6 speed transmission make a nice difference on this van vs our 2005 touring.

I agree with Threxx...I wish there was a button to keep it in 3 cyl mode! But I've gotten pretty good at keeping it there in flat ground.
 
#21 ·
I also notice the 3 cylinder mode and 6 speed transmission make a nice difference on this van vs our 2005 touring.
That was the year VCM launched in the Honda J35 engine (Odysseys EX-L and above). I'd go VCM further fine-tuning, not really the 6AT

I agree with Threxx...I wish there was a button to keep it in 3 cyl mode! But I've gotten pretty good at keeping it there in flat ground.
Driving a Corvette and the likes I think you guys know how a 6-cyl engine would run on a 3-cyl mode in full-throttle and torque, correct? That is actually one of the reasons why VCM only engages under very light throttle and a lot of inertia, else the vibration and engine noise would be baaad....

Here is one of mine. Yes, highway is very good

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#27 ·
Anyone using the aforementioned methods needs to look around this forum about the recent warranty extension about spark plug fouling.
Cylinder three I think is disabled in both three and four mode. Reducing the systems cycling between modes could influence the problem.
Have a look at TSB 13-081 Eric
 
#41 ·
Okay, gotta ask. Rooftop box with skies implies you were headed to and from some mountain, going 80-85 and averaged 26mpg?? How do you do that climbing? Seven people @ 220lbs/person including luggage (this is what's used to calculate aircraft passenger weight during design) says the load is 1540lbs on top of Odyssey's ~4600lbs or total of ~6000lbs!!!

Is this imperial gallon or standard US gallon?

I just drove from south Orange County to the Bay Area driving 80-85mph and got 23mpg average. It took a hit going over the Cajon Pass but I don't ever recall seeing anything above 26mpg on an essentially flat Interstate 5.

Going home tomorrow so have to see if return is any better but going up Grapevine climb, which is much steeper, I am not expecting a better milage but who knows...