[DerbyDad03]

The alert warning should be immediate. If you dont see it now, they are synched up. Check the psi reading.

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Thanks for the prompt response.

PSI is fine. It was set pretty high by the tire shop. Even, but high at 38 PSI. I lowered them immediately after installation, making sure they were even.

Does that mean that the system "auto-synched" to the sensors even though at least one of them is definitely after-market and probably doesn't match the other 3?

According to this site, you need an OBD dongle to reprogram the system, which matches with what the shop told me.

TPMS DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION – Honda CR-V 2007-2019 - ATEQ-TPMS

Honda CR-V TPMS diagnostic information from model years 2007-2019. Includes troubleshooting tips, direct and indirect TPMS relearn procedures, and more.

www.ateq-tpms.com

"Direct TPMS system (2007 through mid-year 2014) requires TPMS scan tool with OBD module to connect to the vehicle’s DLC (VT56 or VT46 brands), step by step relearn procedures are written in the tool."

 

[DerbyDad03]

The tpms communicate via specific frequency band. You dont have to have all 4 the same brand. As long as the manufacturer said it compatible with the vehicle, it will work. Some will have to adjust the frequency band. Since yours is reading psi, no further programming is required.

Not arguing, just trying to learn...

You said "Since yours is reading psi, no further programming is required."

Other than the fact that there is no alert, how do I actually know that the system is reading the PSI? The 2011 CR-V EX doesn't have a PSI read-out on the display so I have to check them manually.

Is it possible that the system is broken in such a manner that it isn't actually reading the sensors but also not showing an alert? Is there a fail-safe that would (should?) produce an alert if the system itself knows that it can't read any of the sensors?

 

[DerbyDad03]

Your wheels have tmps, so you have display reading on the console. You need to navigate to it. The control selection is on the steering wheel. If you want to see the alert, deflate one of the tire to 20-25 psi or so and you will see it.

You do realize that I am asking about a 2011 CR-V, right?

The 2011 CR-V EX does not display tire pressures on the console. There is nothing to "navigate to". The only TPMS related displays are:

The low-pressure alert itself...

From Page 414 of the owner's manual:

As an added safety feature, your vehicle has been equipped with a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) that illuminates a low tire pressure telltale when one or more of your tires is significantly under-inflated. Accordingly, when the low tire pressure telltale illuminates, you should stop and check your tires as soon as possible, and inflate them to the proper pressure.

Note the "stop and check" wording. Physically checking them with a gauge is the only way to determine the PSI.

...and a TPMS system failure indicator:

From Page 415:

Your vehicle has also been equipped with a TPMS malfunction indicator to indicate when the system is not operating properly. The TPMS malfunction indicator is provided by a separate telltale, which displays the symbol ‘‘TPMS’’ when illuminated. When the malfunction indicator is illuminated, the system may not be able to detect or signal low tire pressure as intended. TPMS malfunctions may occur for a variety of reasons, including the installation of replacement or alternate tires or wheels on the vehicle that prevent the TPMS from functioning properly.

I am getting neither of these indicators. In addition, everything I can find states that the system in a 2011 CR-V needs to be reprogrammed when new sensors are installed. If you are correct in saying that an alert should have occurred immediately, then something else is going on.

 

[DerbyDad03]

My 2006 Honda Odyssey has psi display. If 2011 CRV does not have it, it is kind of sad, really. Having tpms but only display warning light or off, it is #$!! up by Honda.

You are aware that just about all models, across all manufacturers, have different trim levels, aren't you?

Honda did nothing "#$!! up" by not displaying PSI on the 2011 CR-V EX, it's nothing more than that trim level not having that feature.

Your 2006 Honda Odyssey what displays the PSI? I'll assume that you have a Touring because I know for a fact that the 2006 Odyssey EX-L not only doesn't display the PSI, it doesn't even have TPMS. Nor does a 2007 Civic EX. However, a 2007 CR-V EX-L has TPMS but only displays a low pressure alert or a TMPS system failure alert. (I'm just making my point related to different models and different trim levels.)

I cannot help you further then. Here is when I changed my wheels and new tpms. After the wheels and tired mounted on the car, the low psi display amber alert immediately. Then drove about a mile or two, the low psi alert disappeared and showed psi reading.

So, if I'm not mistaken, you answered my question about the TPMS system in a 2011 CR-V EX by assuming that it acts the same as a 2006 Odyssey Touring. i.e. one size fits all. Boy, if life were only that simple...

 

[DerbyDad03]

DD, I have done a fair bit of TPMS work, including 2007 CRV LX. I can state with certainty that MY 2007 CRV LX does require reprogramming of onboard computer to install new TPMS sensors.
That said, the Odyssey itself has two types of TPMS systems, Touring had self learning system, while any other trim below required manual programming.
There is also a third option, when you clone sensor numbers that are on your summer wheels, to your winter wheel sensors, no additional programming is required.
That requires usage of specific "Programmable/Clonable" sensors. The sensors basically have re-writable memory instead of static, and you can change
essential parameters, such as Sensor ID. Autel makes them.

So, lets start with basics. When you turn your ignition on, but car not running, you should get a light check on your dash.
Do you see either TPMS sign light or Tire shape with exclamation mark light? I am not 100% sure, but some cars have one and some cars have two lights.
The lights also behave differently depending if you have an issue with sensor not registered vs issue of tire pressure being low.

If you don't see those lights, I would check bulbs or electric tape covering the lights.
Another quick check would be to lower one tire pressure below threshold value for TPMS light activation, so go 18psi in one tire. If light does not come on
you have a definite issue with your system.

If you get the lights, then the next thing I would do is to read IDs of the sensors that the are programmed in the car and read sensor IDs of the sensors in your tires.
If they match, then system is functioning correctly. If they don't match, well, that opens a door I don't want to open yet.
I use high end Autel scanner that is capable of all that TPMS work. There are cheaper TPMS specific computers by Autel, like 401, that much more reasonable to own,
but thats the only thing that it does.

As far as brand of sensors, that has no relevance, so long as the sensors are designed to work with specific cars' TPMS system. There is no requirement to have
4 identical sensors.

Good luck and let us know.

Thanks for the relevant information and troubleshooting steps.

The 2011 CR-V EX has 2 TPMS related lights. One for low pressure (exclamation point/low tire) and one for a TPMS system issue (TPMS), such as not being able to read a sensor. Both lights illuminate when the standard light check is done (key on, no start).

The manual says that a TPMS system light may be caused by swapping rims, but it's a may not a will.

TPMS malfunctions may occur for a variety of reasons, including the installation of replacement or alternate tires or wheels on the vehicle that prevent the TPMS from functioning properly.

In any case, I'll be taking the V back to the tire shop, hopefully tomorrow, to have them look at it. One of the wheels threw a weight (found it in the driveway) so they need to check the balance anyway. Since they told me that they would need to reprogram the sensors once I put the wheels on the car, I will mention the fact that I have not gotten a TPMS alert since doing that. I'll let them do their thing, then test the system by letting air out of one tire.

BTW...I do know that the TPMS system worked, at least up until a few months ago, when the original wheels were on the vehicle. A nail caused a slow leak and the low pressure alert symbol came on.

I'll let you know what I find out from the shop.

 

[DerbyDad03]

Thats what I was afraid off. Knowing for a fact that there is no magic, in my experience, the TPMS light should have started blinking on your CRV, once new tires were installed and you were out of the door within a mile or two.
Since you said that you installed the tires yourself, I simply have no explanation for this behavior.
One would need to know Honda's algorithm for determining when to display the TPMS light,
or perhaps your sensors are self learning variety.

I'll let you know what the tire shop tells me. It was they that installed the 4th sensor, and they that said that I would need to come back to have the system reprogrammed. They said that they tested the 3 sensors that were on the rims I purchased and that they were good, which is why they sold me just the 1 for the rim that didn't have one.

As far as I can tell from my own research, all CR-V's from 2007 - 2013 need to have the system reprogrammed when sensors are replaced, which is basically what occurred when I swapped rims. Stay tuned!

 

[DerbyDad03]

Hmmm okay. Got it. I apologize for trying to help.

No need to apologize for trying to help. I appreciate that you tried. That's not the issue.

The issue is that you gave out incorrect information, basing it on your experience with totally different model and trim level. That's not helpful.

When I said that the 2011 CR-V EX doesn't have a PSI read-out on the display, you came back with "Your wheels have tmps, so you have display reading on the console. You need to navigate to it. The control selection is on the steering wheel."

None of that is correct. My response would have been completely different had you said something like "On my vehicle, the control selection on the steering allows me to navigate to the PSI readings. Have you tried that?" Instead, you were basically telling me that I was wrong and that I didn't know how to operate my vehicle. That too is not helpful.

Perhaps you are correct that the system has auto-magically synced with the sensors and that's why the alert never showed. I suppose we'll find that out when I go back to the shop. I'll let you know.

 

[DerbyDad03]

You were so worked up for no apparent. Sure, I made bad assumption that you had a display psi, typically, if the car has tpms, you would have a display psi info. It is not a wrong information, just bad assumption. When I realized that I knew I could not help you further and I stated so. What I said Honda $!#! up thing was not direct towards you. It was just a general statement towards Honda for putting tpms in the wheels and not have vital information for readout. What I said about my Odyssey, I was just illustrated to you that the alert happened immediately, and clear after driven a mile or two. It is still relevant troubleshooting method whether it has readout or not. If it couldn't read psi info, you will get constant alert warning. If it requires re-programming, you would get a constant alert. Otherwise, it is good unless the system is broken but I doubted that since it working fine before you changed the wheels.

All other information I gave you are relevant and proper troubleshooting. If your car does not give alert, the system is synched up and reads the psi info. I also said to deflate the tire psi to make sure the system is working correctly. Twice! But you were too busy working up to notice it.

You are making assumptions again. Of course I noticed your recommendation to deflate a tire. I also noticed the same recommendation from maxud. A fine suggestion and something I considered doing long before anyone suggested it.

If I get a chance to do that before I take the car back to the shop, I may just do that. If you were expecting me to drop what I was doing, leave work, chase down SWMBO, swap cars and follow your suggestion immediately, I'll have to disappoint you on that.

Like I said, I'll keep you updated.

 

[DerbyDad03]

Troubleshooting, you assume things and make deduction.

You go off the rail again. I never said anywhere for you to go do or chase or swap car or skip work. That is pure accusation!

That's kind of funny, coming from the guy who accused me of being too busy to notice your tire deflation suggestion.

Read my words again: "If you were expecting me to drop what I was doing..."

If does not an accusation make.

Like I said, I'll keep you updated.

 

[DerbyDad03]

It was fact. All of your replies had been accusations from telling you bad information to telling you to drop everything to work on the problem. When you 'expect' you predicted or presumed that I told you just what you stated; you believed, therefore, 'accusation.'

And good luck!

Thanks for the well wishes. I appreciate it.

 

[DerbyDad03]

And the final outcome is…

No one can explain why I did not get any type of TPMS alert after swapping the rims.

I took the CR-V back to the tire shop that mounted the tires on the wheels (they needed to be rebalanced). As you may recall, I had brought the rims and tires in loose, they mounted/balanced them and told me to come back once I had put them on the vehicle so that they could program the TPMS.

When I told them that I never got any type of TPMS alert, all 3 guys involved (the guy behind the counter and 2 techs in the service bay) were surprised and couldn’t explain why. After they rebalanced the tires, they programmed the sensors using their OBD tool. As I drove away, I had a flashing low-pressure light (as expected) which went away within a few miles.

I then checked with 3 other sources: I stopped by the Honda dealer near my workplace, I called the Honda dealer where I bought my Ody and I called my regular mechanic who used to be a Honda dealer tech before going independent. Everyone expressed the same surprise that I did not get an alert after I swapped rims. One of the dealer reps even took a shot and asked me if perhaps I had the original rims in the back of the V. (“Good question, but no.”)

Sometime this weekend, when I am near my compressor, I’ll pull a Tom Brady on one tire and deflate it enough to (hopefully) cause an alert. If that works, I’ll put this mystery on the shelf until spring and see what happens when I swap out the snows and put the original rims back on.

Thanks all!

 

[DerbyDad03]

Did you try decreasing pressure before taking it for reprogramming?

No, I did not. Between travelling for the holidays and working and company and weather, etc. I didn't have/take the time. When the opportunity to take it in this morning came up, I decided that delaying the re-balancing just to test the system wasn't worth it. Now that they are programmed and I have time, I'll run that test just to be sure.

Its a bit funny as the complain here is lack of light vs PRESENCE of light, which is most commonly an issue.

Yeah, I know it's unusual, and had I been convinced that the CR-V "self learns", I wouldn't have even brought it up. However, since all the information that I could find seemed to indicate that I should have gotten an alert, I was curious as to what others thought.

Thanks for the help.

 

[DerbyDad03]

Update: All good with the system alerting on low pressure.

Assuming nothing changes between now and spring, I'll update when I swap out the snows.